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Re:Hypercapitalism and the AI Talent Wars by muzani on Monday July 14, 2025 @04:57AM (#44557816)
I would say if there is a decline in society, the normies are wrong. And if there's steady improvement in quality of life, then the normie zeitgeist is correct. But there's always a delay in these things, at least a generation.
Re:Hypercapitalism and the AI Talent Wars by harimau777 on Monday July 14, 2025 @07:11AM (#44558747)
I don't think that applies when the normies lack power; which is precisely the problem with wealth concentration. That would be like blaming the serfs for the failures of feudalist governments.
Re:Hypercapitalism and the AI Talent Wars by muzani on Monday July 14, 2025 @07:26PM (#44566440)
There's a reason we don't have feudalist governments. It's a "solved" problem.

The normies may have much less power, but it's never zero. Wealth isn't the only form of power. There's law/politics and there's military power. Whenever a group oversteps, you get the Magna Carta, you get secularism, you get civil wars and your Second Amendment. This is why the French Revolution and The Civil War(s) are in the textbooks.

When Venezuela's economy collapsed, a South American friend said that they deserved it. Every other South American country fought corruption and died for independence.

We never want violence, but it is there as an option. Laws and economic policies are there to make sure the violence is never the best option. Non-democratic capitalism doesn't work because it puts the law and the wealth in the hands of a few and leaves force as the only option. The world didn't suddenly convert into communism because Marx and Lenin were handsome demon lords; they converted because capitalism pushed them into a corner.

When you have this decline, it's because a society had weak and corrupt lawyers, statesmen, and economists. These may not be your normies, but they're pretty close to the middle class.

But you don't get to praise capitalism for the cheap air conditioning and then criticize it when low costs push production overseas. You can't negotiate for the high salaries then blame greedy CEOs when you get replaced by someone cheaper. You don't get to charge "as high as possible" and then wonder why your doctor is charging your life savings to save your life. The normies built a culture around winning and lopsided power, then are shocked when power is used against them.

Re:Hypercapitalism and the AI Talent Wars by yifanl on Monday July 14, 2025 @07:09AM (#44558728)
Oh well in the case, we should just wait and see and die.
Re:Hypercapitalism and the AI Talent Wars by gnz11 on Monday July 14, 2025 @06:24AM (#44558352)
What if QoL improves for some but goes down for others?
Re:Hypercapitalism and the AI Talent Wars by muzani on Monday July 14, 2025 @07:26AM (#44558850)
Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others.
Re:Hypercapitalism and the AI Talent Wars by johnecheck on Monday July 14, 2025 @07:59AM (#44559094)
The full quote is less bleak.

Democracy is the worst form of Government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.

~Winston Churchill

Re:Hypercapitalism and the AI Talent Wars by pringk02 on Monday July 14, 2025 @06:23AM (#44558349)
How would we be able to measure decline?