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Re:Axon's Draft One AI Police Report Generator Is Designed t... by tristramb on Sunday July 13, 2025 @12:07PM (#44551398)
‘In passing by the side of Mount Thai, Confucius came on a woman who was weeping bitterly by a grave. The Master pressed forward and drove quickly to her; then he sent Tze-lu to question her. “Your wailing,” said he, “is that of one who has suffered sorrow on sorrow.”She replied, “That is so. Once my husband’s father was killed here by a tiger. My husband was also killed, and now my son has died in the same way.” The Master said, “Why do you not leave the place?” The answer was, “There is no oppressive government here.” The Master then said, “Remember this, my children: oppressive government is more terrible than tigers.”’

The subject of this paper is the problem of ensuring that government shall be less terrible than tigers.

--- From The Taming of Power by Bertrand Russell, 1938

Re:Axon's Draft One AI Police Report Generator Is Designed t... by smallmancontrov on Sunday July 13, 2025 @01:44PM (#44552076)
...and that was in 1938, when there was no such thing as an AI panopticon.
Re:Axon's Draft One AI Police Report Generator Is Designed t... by matt123456789 on Sunday July 13, 2025 @02:17PM (#44552314)
And the original “Tyranny is Fiercer than a Tiger” significantly predates even that!
Re:Axon's Draft One AI Police Report Generator Is Designed t... by lostlogin on Sunday July 13, 2025 @01:47PM (#44552099)
It also came just before some particularly terrible governments really hit their stride.
Re:Axon's Draft One AI Police Report Generator Is Designed t... by jfengel on Sunday July 13, 2025 @02:21PM (#44552335)
I wonder if her husband, son, and father in law would agree with that conclusion.
Re:Axon's Draft One AI Police Report Generator Is Designed t... by nosianu on Sunday July 13, 2025 @02:50PM (#44552538)
Yes? They stayed and did not leave. Confucius asking the woman did not create that option. It was always there.

My personal thought would also be that one has significantly higher chances to succeed against a tiger than a government, including much more control over whether a tiger attacks in the first place (for example, fences or not going out alone would already improve your chances significantly, which would do nothing against government officials).

Re:Axon's Draft One AI Police Report Generator Is Designed t... by jfengel on Sunday July 13, 2025 @03:03PM (#44552629)
I don't doubt that. But the story just demonstrates survivor bias, literally. Surely there's a better way to illustrate the point. As it is the obvious fallacy makes me inherently skeptical of a conclusion that I'm otherwise inclined to agree with.
Re:Axon's Draft One AI Police Report Generator Is Designed t... by giardini on Sunday July 13, 2025 @03:29PM (#44552863)
nosianu says "one has significantly higher chances to succeed against a tiger than a government"

I don't think so! A tiger will kill you in the blink of an eye.

As for fences: while clearing land for the British railway lines in India, it was sometimes necessary to bring in skilled tiger hunters to eradicate these beasts. In one attack, for example, a tiger jumped a high fence (intended to keep tigers out) around a human encampment, seized a victim, jumped over the fence again carrying his prey and ran away with the meal.

Re:Axon's Draft One AI Police Report Generator Is Designed t... by tokai on Sunday July 13, 2025 @03:49PM (#44553073)
Please a village can at least try killing a tiger with traps, poison, and weapons. They can do nothing to the king.
Re:Axon's Draft One AI Police Report Generator Is Designed t... by anigbrowl on Sunday July 13, 2025 @09:54PM (#44555713)
Do you understand that the tiger functions as a metaphor here? The story is not about the impressive physical capabilities of Panthera tigris.
Re:Axon's Draft One AI Police Report Generator Is Designed t... by thaumasiotes on Sunday July 13, 2025 @07:21PM (#44554712)
孔子過泰山側,有婦人哭於墓者而哀,夫子式而聽之。使子貢問之曰:「子之哭也,壹似重有憂者。」而曰:「然,昔者吾舅死於虎,吾夫又死焉,今吾子又死焉。」夫子曰:「何為不去也?」曰:「無苛政。」夫子曰:「小子識之,苛政猛於虎也。」

https://ctext.org/liji/tan-gong-ii#n9720