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Re:Supreme Court's Ruling Practically Wipes Out Free Speech ... by beejiu on Saturday July 12, 2025 @06:56PM (#44545912)
> It's about sharing HRT tips with trans youth

Nobody should be sharing HRT "tips" with other people's children.

Re:Supreme Court's Ruling Practically Wipes Out Free Speech ... by kennywinker on Saturday July 12, 2025 @06:59PM (#44545926)
Nobody should be sharing insulin “tips” with other people’s children?

Do you apply this rule to all medications, or just ones you’re offended by?

Setting aside trans issues - plenty of non-trans kids are in hormones or puberty blockers for a wide variety of reasons. Should they be blocked from discussing them online?

Re:Supreme Court's Ruling Practically Wipes Out Free Speech ... by cryptoegorophy on Saturday July 12, 2025 @07:08PM (#44545983)
One treatment saves lives, other “treatment” essentially shortens your lifespan, and most likely causing you to never have kids again. How are people ok with this I don’t get it and how are people ok with letting KIDS making such life changing decision is I don’t get too.
Re:Supreme Court's Ruling Practically Wipes Out Free Speech ... by kennywinker on Saturday July 12, 2025 @07:09PM (#44545993)
Given how many trans kids commit suicide when prevented from transitioning, i’d say both save lives. And that’s why i’m ok with it. Because going on puberty blockers until you’re 18 seems like a very non-invasive way to thread the needle of patient care for minors
Re:Supreme Court's Ruling Practically Wipes Out Free Speech ... by beejiu on Saturday July 12, 2025 @07:15PM (#44546032)
The recent UK Cass Review concluded "It has been suggested that hormone treatment reduces the elevated risk of death by suicide in this population, but the evidence found did not support this conclusion."

Do you have any counter-evidence?

Re:Supreme Court's Ruling Practically Wipes Out Free Speech ... by kennywinker on Saturday July 12, 2025 @07:16PM (#44546044)
Yes: the cass review is very badly done and misinterprets the data available.
Re:Supreme Court's Ruling Practically Wipes Out Free Speech ... by beejiu on Saturday July 12, 2025 @07:22PM (#44546083)
So you have no counter evidence?
Re:Supreme Court's Ruling Practically Wipes Out Free Speech ... by mandmandam on Saturday July 12, 2025 @07:34PM (#44546153)
If you actually wanted counter evidence I'm sure you could find it yourself. There's enough of it out there.

So, what is it that you're actually looking for?

Re:Supreme Court's Ruling Practically Wipes Out Free Speech ... by kennywinker on Monday July 14, 2025 @03:10AM (#44557243)
Let me google that for you:

https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-health-and-wellness/horm...

And on the subject of the (methodologically trash) cass report:

https://osf.io/preprints/osf/uhndk_v1

CRITICALLY APPRAISING THE CASS REPORT: METHODOLOGICAL FLAWS AND UNSUPPORTED CLAIMS

Re:Supreme Court's Ruling Practically Wipes Out Free Speech ... by uv-depression on Saturday July 12, 2025 @09:56PM (#44546854)
Not the person you were replying to, but the Cass review was quite clearly bunk. Its main thrust is essentially: "there are no double blind studies on the effects of affirming care for minors, so we should stop prescribing it immediately". Aside from the fact that the conclusion does not follow from the premise, how exactly could one do a double blind study on puberty blockers? So the report throws out essentially the entire body of research for failing to meet an impossible to meet standard.

Here's more information: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s12874-025-02581-7

Re:Supreme Court's Ruling Practically Wipes Out Free Speech ... by bobalob on Sunday July 13, 2025 @01:44PM (#44552079)
> So the report throws out essentially the entire body of research for failing to meet an impossible to meet standard.

This is disinformation that is easily shown to be false if you read the final report.

In fact this lie was so widely disseminated that the authors felt they had to address it in the FAQs on the Review website: https://cass.independent-review.uk/home/publications/final-r...

> Did the Review reject studies that were not double blind randomised control trials in its systematic review of evidence for puberty blockers and masculinising / feminising hormones?

> No. There were no randomised control studies identified in the systematic reviews, but other types of studies were included if they were well designed and conducted.

Re:Supreme Court's Ruling Practically Wipes Out Free Speech ... by kennywinker on Monday July 14, 2025 @03:05AM (#44557215)
https://osf.io/preprints/osf/uhndk_v1

CRITICALLY APPRAISING THE CASS REPORT: METHODOLOGICAL FLAWS AND UNSUPPORTED CLAIMS

Re:Supreme Court's Ruling Practically Wipes Out Free Speech ... by protocolture on Saturday July 12, 2025 @08:33PM (#44546442)
>One treatment saves lives, other “treatment” essentially shortens your lifespan, and most likely causing you to never have kids again.

The older I get, the more I understand people who prefer quality of life, over longevity.

Re:Supreme Court's Ruling Practically Wipes Out Free Speech ... by giingyui on Saturday July 12, 2025 @07:04PM (#44545952)
I always wonder if these arguments are ever made in good faith. Comparing a treatment for diabetes to HRT. But there are people who really are off the deep end. So who knows.
Re:Supreme Court's Ruling Practically Wipes Out Free Speech ... by kennywinker on Saturday July 12, 2025 @07:12PM (#44546014)
Made in good faith. And HRT is very rarely given to minors. The standard of care is puberty blockers until their 18.

Question about your good faith:

Do you have a problem with puberty blockers when given to non-trans kids? I.e. for precocious puberty

Re:Supreme Court's Ruling Practically Wipes Out Free Speech ... by beejiu on Saturday July 12, 2025 @07:05PM (#44545963)
Yes, it should apply to all medical treatments targeted at children, since children don't have developed critical thinking skills.

Do you think it's appropriate for random people to tell a 10 year old how to take their insulin? I don't.

Re:Supreme Court's Ruling Practically Wipes Out Free Speech ... by Kinrany on Saturday July 12, 2025 @07:16PM (#44546043)
I agree, but it can go too far as well. It's not healthy for children to be limited to knowing only their parents' and the government's opinions on serious topics. There has to be a balance between avoiding indoctrination and being aware of brain development schedule.
Re:Supreme Court's Ruling Practically Wipes Out Free Speech ... by beejiu on Saturday July 12, 2025 @07:21PM (#44546072)
I somewhat agree, but exposure to global online content is hardly natural in terms of brain development.
Re:Supreme Court's Ruling Practically Wipes Out Free Speech ... by Hikikomori on Saturday July 12, 2025 @08:13PM (#44546354)
And if doctors develop treatment plans for trans children its ok?
Re:Supreme Court's Ruling Practically Wipes Out Free Speech ... by kennywinker on Saturday July 12, 2025 @07:14PM (#44546023)
I mean at least you’re consistent - even if you want to ban diabetics from chatting about their care online.
Re:Supreme Court's Ruling Practically Wipes Out Free Speech ... by jmb99 on Sunday July 13, 2025 @03:57AM (#44548409)
> since children don't have developed critical thinking skills.

So should everyone under the age of 25 (roughly when your brain becomes fully developed) be prohibited from talking about any kind of medical treatment?

Also, how do you expect people to develop critical thinking skills if they’re never presented with challenging concepts or, you know, required to think critically about things?