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Re:Preliminary report into Air India crash released by dcreater on Friday July 11, 2025 @06:42PM (#44537520)
Do you know if the mechanical position of the switch guarantees its electronic state without any possibility for hardware malfunction? If no, then you are claiming a person made one of the most grave acts of inhumanity ever.

This sounds to me like an electronics issue - an intermittent, inadvertent state transition likely due to some PCB component malfunction

Re:Preliminary report into Air India crash released by K0balt on Friday July 11, 2025 @07:20PM (#44537803)
The time between the two switches being activated and then them being switched back on after being noticed strongly suggests that they were actually manipulated. Malice looke very likely to me. An investigation into the pilots life may turn something up, I guess.

It’s worth noting that Premeditation or “intention” doesn’t have to factor into this.

Studies of survivors of impulse suicides (jumping off of bridges etc) indicate that many of them report having no previous suicidal ideation, no intention or plan to commit suicide, and in many cases no reported depression or difficulties that might encourage suicide.

Dark impulses exist and they don’t always get caught in time by the supervisory conscious process. Most people have experienced this in its more innocuous forms, the call of the void and whatnot, but many have also been witness to thoughtless destructive acts that defy reason and leave the perpetrator confused and in denial.

Re:Preliminary report into Air India crash released by dcreater on Friday July 11, 2025 @09:25PM (#44538497)
> The time between the two switches being activated and then them being switched back on after being noticed strongly suggests that they were actually manipulated

How so? It is just as likely to be an intermitted electronic malfunction.

Re:Preliminary report into Air India crash released by pixl97 on Friday July 11, 2025 @09:41PM (#44538582)
For both switches on seperate systems and wires that are independant.

I mean, it's not impossible, but it sure the hell is improbable.

Re:Preliminary report into Air India crash released by cosmicgadget on Friday July 11, 2025 @06:52PM (#44537589)
Murder-suicide has happened on a few occasions. How many times has your malfunction occurred on an aircraft fuel system?
Re:Preliminary report into Air India crash released by bgwalter on Friday July 11, 2025 @07:12PM (#44537737)
Not precisely the electrical malfunction, but dual engine shutdown has occurred, fortunately after landing:

https://www.aerosociety.com/news/ana-787-engine-shutdown/

Re:Preliminary report into Air India crash released by cosmicgadget on Friday July 11, 2025 @07:46PM (#44537960)
That doesn't seem to be a malfunction at all.
Re:Preliminary report into Air India crash released by shash on Saturday July 12, 2025 @08:13AM (#44541528)
Different engine (those are Trents and this was a GEnx), but yeah, that _did_ happen.
Re:Preliminary report into Air India crash released by postingawayonhn on Friday July 11, 2025 @07:23PM (#44537818)
There is also audio of the pilots discussing the issue.
Re:Preliminary report into Air India crash released by stefan_ on Friday July 11, 2025 @07:00PM (#44537653)
And then 10s later the switches magically fixed themselves? The likely not electronically connected switches since that would compromise engine redundancy?
Re:Preliminary report into Air India crash released by lazide on Friday July 11, 2025 @07:26PM (#44537834)
The other pilot likely flipped them back - but at that point, it was impossible to avoid crashing.
Re:Preliminary report into Air India crash released by dcreater on Friday July 11, 2025 @08:29PM (#44538195)
intermittent state switching is absolutely a thing in (poorly designed/manufactured/tested/QC'd) electronics
Re:Preliminary report into Air India crash released by pixl97 on Friday July 11, 2025 @08:33PM (#44538219)
It is, and one would expect that a single switch failure would be far more probable, so how often have we had switch failure single engine cutoff in the 787?
Re:Preliminary report into Air India crash released by userbinator on Friday July 11, 2025 @09:37PM (#44538557)
All this rests on whether we have CVR audio of the pilot(s) manipulating the switches.
Re:Preliminary report into Air India crash released by ekianjo on Friday July 11, 2025 @11:19PM (#44539010)
The rodents were remorseful and fixed the cables in the meantime. /s