Re:Grok: Searching X for "From:Elonmusk (Israel or Palestine...
by xnx on Thursday July 10, 2025 @09:41PM
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Fair. I dislike "non-deterministic" as a blanket llm descriptor for all llms since it implies some type of magic or quantum effect.
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Re:Grok: Searching X for "From:Elonmusk (Israel or Palestine...
by dekhn on Thursday July 10, 2025 @10:42PM
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I see LLM inference as sampling from a distribution. Multiple details go into that sampling - everything from parameters like temperature to numerical imprecision to batch mixing effects as well as the next-token-selection approach (always pick max, sample from the posterior distribution, etc). But ultimately, if it was truly important to get stable outputs, everything I listed above can be engineered (temp=0, very good numerical control, not batching, and always picking the max probability next token).
dekhn from a decade ago cared a lot about stable outputs. dekhn today thinks sampling from a distribution is a far more practical approach for nearly all use cases. I could see it mattering when the false negative rate of a medical diagnostic exceeded a reasonable threshold.
Re:Grok: Searching X for "From:Elonmusk (Israel or Palestine...
by basch on Friday July 11, 2025 @01:13AM
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I agree its phrased poorly.
Better said would be: LLM's are designed to act as if they were non-deterministic.
Re:Grok: Searching X for "From:Elonmusk (Israel or Palestine...
by tanewishly on Friday July 11, 2025 @01:33AM
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Errr... that word implies some type of non-deterministic effect. Like using a randomizer without specifying the seed (ie. sampling from a distribution). I mean, stuff like NFAs (non-deterministic finite automata) isn't magic.
Re:Grok: Searching X for "From:Elonmusk (Israel or Palestine...
by EdiX on Friday July 11, 2025 @02:51AM
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Interesting, but in general it does not imply that. For example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nondeterministic_finite_automa...