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Re:Grok 4 Launch [video] by anthonybsd on Thursday July 10, 2025 @01:32PM (#44523403)
It wasn't not a result of system prompt. When you fine tune a model on a large corpus of right-leaning text don't be surprised when neo-nazi tendencies inevitably emerge.
Re:Grok 4 Launch [video] by jjordan on Thursday July 10, 2025 @01:42PM (#44523520)
It was though. Xai publishes their system prompts, and here's the commit that fixed it (a one line removal): https://github.com/xai-org/grok-prompts/commit/c5de4a14feb50...
Re:Grok 4 Launch [video] by i80and on Thursday July 10, 2025 @02:25PM (#44523997)
If that one sentence in the system prompt is all it takes to steer a model into a complete white supremacy meltdown at the drop of a hat, I think that's a problem with the model!
Re:Grok 4 Launch [video] by minimaxir on Thursday July 10, 2025 @02:24PM (#44523984)
The system prompt that Grok 4 uses added that line back. https://x.com/elder_plinius/status/1943171871400194231
Re:Grok 4 Launch [video] by spoaceman7777 on Thursday July 10, 2025 @02:03PM (#44523775)
It still hasn't been turned back on, and that repo is provided by xAI themselves, so you need to trust that they're being honest with the situation.

The timing in relation to the Grok 4 launch is highly suspect. It seems much more like a publicity stunt. (Any news is good news?)

But, besides that, if that prompt change unleashed the very extreme Hitler-tweeting and arguably worse horrors (it wasn't all "haha, I'm mechahitler"), it's a definite sign of some really bizarre fine tuning on the model itself.

Re:Grok 4 Launch [video] by barbazoo on Thursday July 10, 2025 @01:59PM (#44523727)
What a silly assumption in that prompt:

> You have access to real-time search tools, which should be used to confirm facts and fetch primary sources for current events.

Re:Grok 4 Launch [video] by archagon on Thursday July 10, 2025 @03:22PM (#44524564)
xAI claims to publish their system prompts.

I don’t recall where they published the bit of prompt that kept bringing up “white genocide” in South Africa at inopportune times.

Re:Grok 4 Launch [video] by qreerq on Thursday July 10, 2025 @04:56PM (#44525516)
Weird, the post and comments load for me before switching to "Unable to load page."
Re:Grok 4 Launch [video] by Atotalnoob on Thursday July 10, 2025 @05:30PM (#44525834)
Disable JavaScript or log into GitHub
Re:Grok 4 Launch [video] by hadlock on Thursday July 10, 2025 @01:36PM (#44523447)
Or, disgruntled employee looking to make maximum impact the day before the Big Launch of v4. Both are likely reasons.
Re:Grok 4 Launch [video] by slim on Thursday July 10, 2025 @01:51PM (#44523621)
or pr department getting creative with using dog whistling for buzz
Re:Grok 4 Launch [video] by mlindner on Thursday July 10, 2025 @02:17PM (#44523928)
I really find it ironic that some people are still pushing the idea about the right dog whistling when out-and-out anti-semites on the left control major streaming platforms (twitch) and push major streamers who repeatedly encourage their viewers to harm jewish people through barely concealed threats (Hasan Piker and related).

The masks are off and it's pretty clear what reality is.

Re:Grok 4 Launch [video] by archagon on Thursday July 10, 2025 @03:24PM (#44524579)
Where is xAI’s public apology, assurances this won’t happen again, etc.?

Musk seems mildly amused by the whole thing, not appalled or livid (as any normal leader would be).

Re:Grok 4 Launch [video] by DonHopkins on Thursday July 10, 2025 @02:37PM (#44524111)
More like a disgruntled Elon Musk that everyone isn't buying his White Supremacy evangelism, so he's turning the volume knob up to 11.
Re:Grok 4 Launch [video] by const_cast on Thursday July 10, 2025 @05:41PM (#44525934)
These disgruntled employee defenses aren't valid, IMO.

I remember when Ring, for years, including after being bought by Meta, had huge issues with employee stalking. Every employee had access to every camera. It happened multiple times, or, at least, to our knowledge.

But that's not a people problem, that's a technology problem. This is what happens when you store and transit video over the internet and centralize it, unencrypted. This is what happens when you have piss-poor permission control.

What I mean is, it says a lot about the product if "disgruntled employees" are able to sabotage it. You're a user, presumably paying - you should care about that. Because, if we all wait around for the day humans magically start acting good all the time, we'll be waiting for the heat death of the universe.