Re:Most RESTful APIs Aren't RESTful
by notpushkin on Wednesday July 09, 2025 @11:18AM
(#44511108)
Or probably just an Allow header on a response to another query (e.g. when fetching an object, server could respond with an Allow: GET, PUT, DELETE if the user has read-write access and Allow: GET if it’s read-only).
That’s a neat idea actually, I think I’ll need to read up on the semantics of Allow again…. There is no reason you couldn’t just include it with arbitrary responses, no?
Re:Most RESTful APIs Aren't RESTful
by notpushkin on Thursday July 10, 2025 @02:07AM
(#44517795)
I don’t see why not!
Re:Most RESTful APIs Aren't RESTful
by ivan_gammel on Wednesday July 09, 2025 @12:34PM
(#44512028)
It’s something else. List of available actions may include other resources, so you cannot express it with pure HTTP, you need a data model for that (HAL is one of possible solutions, but there are others)
With HATEOAS you're supposed to return the list of available actions with the representation of your state.
Neo4j's old REST API was really good about that. See e.g. get node: https://neo4j.com/docs/rest-docs/current/#rest-api-get-node
Re:Most RESTful APIs Aren't RESTful
by ivan_gammel on Wednesday July 09, 2025 @05:13PM
(#44514799)
That API doesn’t look like REST level 3 API. For example, there’s an endpoint to create a node. It is not referenced by root or anywhere else. GetNode endpoint does include some traversal links in response, but those links are part of domain model, not part of the protocol. HAL does offer a protocol by which you enhance your domain model with links with semantics and additional resources.
Re:Most RESTful APIs Aren't RESTful
by ivan_gammel on Thursday July 10, 2025 @04:53AM
(#44518830)
Yes. Though more canonical link is here: https://martinfowler.com/articles/richardsonMaturityModel.ht...
Re:Most RESTful APIs Aren't RESTful
by shadowgovt on Friday July 11, 2025 @01:46PM
(#44535062)
It is interesting to me that GraphQL would be in "the swamp of POX," mostly because personal experience was that shifting from hand-built REST to GraphQL solved a lot of problems we had. Mostly around discovery and composition; the ability to sometimes ask for a little data and sometimes a lot at the same endpoint is huge, and the fact that all of that happens under the same syntax as opposed to smearing out such controls over headers, method, URI, and query params decreased cognitive load.
Perhaps the real issue was that XML is awful and a much thinner resource representation simplifies most of the problems for developers and users.
I'm not saying it's perfect, but it's really good, and you could create a client for it in an evening.
Re:Most RESTful APIs Aren't RESTful
by brigandish on Thursday July 10, 2025 @01:52AM
(#44517713)
I always thought soooo many REST implementations and explainers were missing a trick by ignoring the OPTIONS verb, it seems completely natural to me, but people love to stuff things inside of JSON.
More links here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44510745