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Re:Poor in India Starve as Politicians Steal $14.5 Billion o... by TheAmazingIdiot on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @03:05PM (#4450450)
I'm taking handouts for my education. I'm also on foodstamps to make sure I can eat healthy foods as I learn. When I am done with my educational program (draftsman, and then mechanical engineering), I will be able to support myself and others via taxes.

I am seeking to better myself so I can be a productive member of US society. Is what I am doing wrong?

Re:Poor in India Starve as Politicians Steal $14.5 Billion o... by genwin on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @06:20PM (#4451707)
It's not wrong. Yet if the handouts and food stamps weren't available you can bet your education would cost less. Free stuff enables you and others to pay more, which promotes inflation. In the same vein, easily procurable student loans have made tuition soar.
Re:Poor in India Starve as Politicians Steal $14.5 Billion o... by ryanac on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @07:57PM (#4452128)
Yes it might "cost less", but I wonder, he also gets food stamps, do you think (in this case) less would some how be affordable for him? In reality without the handout tuition might cost less, but he still wouldn't be able to afford it and now he would have no alternatives to getting an education when he's clearly motivated. Interested in any thoughts on this.
Re:Poor in India Starve as Politicians Steal $14.5 Billion o... by Jach on Thursday August 30, 2012 @12:07AM (#4452901)
Suppose you're right, that even with lowered tuition other factors don't go down enough for many people to afford it. This means they don't go to college, this doesn't mean they don't get an education, especially if they're already motivated to learn, and especially in the US where even the homeless can get free access to the internet if they really need it. In your scenario, if the job market continues its insistence on Bachelor's degrees they will find a quickly shortening supply and will have to loosen up that requirement to stay competitive.

As a compromise I'd support giving every US citizen a free netbook and rolling out free public wifi that only routes to a subset of the internet with each site hand-approved (or with a sufficiently clever algorithm from Google or someone else) to be "of public utility for learning" rather than entertainment. No facebook, no porn, no games, and education sites will have to host their own videos instead of using youtube (or an education-only youtube clone can appear), at least if they want the free users to see it. If you want the full internet, pay for it, which we already do. (Very inexpensive all things considered.)

Re:Poor in India Starve as Politicians Steal $14.5 Billion o... by genwin on Thursday August 30, 2012 @01:40PM (#4455775)
Good question. The existence of food stamps probably makes the tuition more affordable. Before student loans, tuition was affordable on a minimum-wage job. Houses were far more affordable before easy mortgage loans created a housing bubble. There's lots of evidence that easy money of all types causes inflation. But the food stamps cause food inflation more than they do tuition inflation, so they're likely a net benefit in this case.
Re:Poor in India Starve as Politicians Steal $14.5 Billion o... by TheAmazingIdiot on Thursday August 30, 2012 @06:39PM (#4457258)
"Before student loans, tuition was affordable on a minimum-wage job."

That sounds right with what my mother and other relatives say about the old days. She told me; 35 years ago she could go to a university during fall and spring. If she then worked a job or 2 during summer, she could have it paid all off. If she got a campus job as well, she could have had spending money to boot.

Re:Poor in India Starve as Politicians Steal $14.5 Billion o... by genwin on Thursday August 30, 2012 @09:09PM (#4457701)
Same with my parents. They wouldn't pay for my college based on the belief that I could easily do it myself, after tuition growth had far outstripped general inflation for a couple decades.
Re:Poor in India Starve as Politicians Steal $14.5 Billion o... by jebblue on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @08:15PM (#4452180)
If you're on foodstamps then it's because you don't have the ability to work, right? Or are you saying you're healthy and able to work but you're on them?
Re:Poor in India Starve as Politicians Steal $14.5 Billion o... by TheAmazingIdiot on Thursday August 30, 2012 @07:44PM (#4457464)
That is partially true. I am unemployed at this time. I have tried plenty times to gain work I can excel in, and still look/apply.

Also, due to lack of 'provable education', I can only get jobs that require manual labor (or thereabouts). Also 4 years ago, I shattered my shoulder and have a permanent injury (it is obvious in the way my arm moves).

I was let go recently from a gas station after not being able to repetitively reach across the register.

I have applied for SS disability and medicaid. I was denied for both. I do have my schooling paid for via Vocational Rehabilitation (govt agency that acknowledges permanent physical disability), as well as FAFSA. That is the route I am going, so I can do something as a respectful citizen.