If you get a real engineering degree instead of computer science slop, then your options for where to live and work (without relying on WFH trends going the right way for you) open up substantially.

a real computer science degree from a good school is a real engineering degree. And you can do a lot of things with it. Pivot quickly.

an "information technology" degree that teaches React and stuff is not engineering.

This is the last website I would imagine people complaining they can't buy a house.

> an "information technology" degree that teaches React and stuff is not engineering.

Lol, is that really what you think I meant by real engineering? You have tunnel vision for computer tech.

i don't know cause there's a ton of nonsense here so explain what you meant. and also what not being able to buy a house means.

>This is the last website I would imagine people complaining they can't buy a house.

Even Senior+ level SWEs at FAANG's in Silicon Valley have trouble buying homes there. The costs are absurd.

I guarantee you, it's harder in 90% of places in the world (accounting for buying power/price of real estate). You guys don't understand our privilege.

You can buy an f'ing house. In places like Ukraine people make $100/month and apartments are $50k(and I'm talking before the war). There, it's LITERALLY impossible.

What people here are describing is that things should be better, and I agree, but words matter.

Google tells us:

In 2021, the median annual salary for software engineers in Ukraine ranged from $30,000 to $48,175, depending on location and experience. Some specific figures include $30,000 in Kyiv, $29,000 in Lviv, and $24,000 in Kharkiv. Remote software engineers in Ukraine had a median salary of $48,175.

It's quite below the EU median, but definitely not $100 a day.

BTW $100 a day is $12.50 a hour, which is more than the federal minimum wage in the US ($7.50 or so), and only $4 below California's minimum wage, $16.50.

I'm sorry but who is out of touch here?

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1460-Latham-St-Mountain-V...

$1.6M 894 sqft 2b1ba

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/4609-E-Mountain-View-Dr-S...

$1.1M 930 sqft 3b3ba

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1763-Fordham-Way-Mountain...

$3.5M 1527 sqft 3b2ba

That last one would be considered a small starter home in my MCOL city and is literally 10x the cost for 300 less sqft of my current home. It's a total joke.

2 FTE Sr SWEs at Google would struggle to even get the downpayment for that last one. The mortgage is like 80% of their after tax salary.

CS is a real degree, but it's more math than engineering. CS and engineering have nothing in common beyond math and physics prerequisites.