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Re:Why English doesn't use accents by simondotau on Sunday July 06, 2025 @10:41PM (#44486265)
If you think that’s crazy, consider that “English” is the only word in the English language that spells the /ɪŋ/ (‘ing’) sound as “eng”.
Re:Why English doesn't use accents by o11c on Monday July 07, 2025 @12:50AM (#44486859)
Eh, not really.

"engage", "engorge", "engrave", "engross", "engulf" are all fairly common words that are either often or exclusively pronounced that way (some dictionaries might show /in-g/, but /n/ is really /ŋ/ before g or k, even if they remain). Since these can take prefixes, this also proves we're not limited to being at the start of a word. Searching for words that can be spelled with with "ing" or "eng" finds a few more but nothing super interesting (though a few are in the middle of a word).

Obviously words where "g" is pronounced /dʒ/ (like "j" for those who can't read IPA) aren't subject to this.

Re:Why English doesn't use accents by xdennis on Monday July 07, 2025 @03:10AM (#44487516)
- English - /ˈɪŋ(ɡ)lɪʃ/

- engage - /ɪnˈɡeɪd͡ʒ/, /ɛnˈɡeɪd͡ʒ/

- engorge - /ɪnˈɡɔːdʒ/

- engross - /ɪnˈɡɹəʊs/, /ɪŋˈɡɹəʊs/, /ɛnˈɡɹoʊs/, /ɛŋˈɡɹoʊs/

- engulf - /ɪŋˈɡʌlf/

According to Wiktionary only engulf and engross also use /ŋ/.

Re:Why English doesn't use accents by simondotau on Monday July 07, 2025 @05:22AM (#44488346)
I've never heard engulf pronounced similarly to English
Re:Why English doesn't use accents by int_19h on Monday July 07, 2025 @04:44PM (#44494511)
The stress is on a different syllable so it's kinda pointless to compare.
Re:Why English doesn't use accents by simondotau on Monday July 07, 2025 @02:34AM (#44487343)
You might be right, but for what it’s worth I’ve literally never heard any of those words pronounced that way. I’ve only ever heard the word “English” start with the same sound as inside, while “engage” and your other examples start with the same sound as entertain.
Re:Why English doesn't use accents by stavros on Monday July 07, 2025 @05:50AM (#44488517)
While you're right, I feel like there's no safe argument to make here, because some group somewhere will pronounce some word in a certain way, so there can't really be a blanket rule.
Re:Why English doesn't use accents by zahlman on Monday July 07, 2025 @12:45PM (#44492156)
In my local (dialect and) accent all of these words have a pretty clear initial /ɛ/ and not /ɪ/. (But also: /ɪ/ usually contrasts strongly with /i/ here, but the sound before /ŋ/ is almost a third in-between vowel.)
Re:Why English doesn't use accents by o11c on Monday July 07, 2025 @01:16PM (#44492509)
Sorry, I was sloppy and wrote /i/ rather than trying to dig up how to enter the correct vowel when I was focused on the "ng".
Re:Why English doesn't use accents by throaway955 on Tuesday July 08, 2025 @11:15AM (#44500802)
Angland - Eng-land - Ing-land