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Re:Bcachefs may be headed out of the kernel by homebrewer on Friday July 04, 2025 @01:17PM (#44466273)
It would also have a lot less FOSS drivers, neither we nor FreeBSD (which is often invoked in these complaints) would have amdgpu for example.
Re:Bcachefs may be headed out of the kernel by Nextgrid on Friday July 04, 2025 @04:05PM (#44467457)
What's so bad about it? Windows to this day doesn't have FOSS drivers as standard and despite that is pretty successful. In practice, as long as a driver works it's fine for the vast majority of users, and you can always disassemble and binary-patch if really needed.

(it's not obvious that having to occasionally disassemble/patch closed-source drivers is worse than the collective effort wasted trying to get every single thing in the kernel and keep it up to date).

Re:Bcachefs may be headed out of the kernel by charcircuit on Friday July 04, 2025 @01:24PM (#44466334)
I would actually posture that making it easier to make drivers would actually have the opposite effect and result in more FOSS drivers.

>FreeBSD (which is often invoked in these complaints) would have amdgpu for example.

In such a hypothetical FreeBSD could reimplement the stable API of Linux.

Re:Bcachefs may be headed out of the kernel by smcameron on Friday July 04, 2025 @01:51PM (#44466515)
No, every gpu vendor out there would prefer proprietary drivers and with a stable ABI, they could do it, and would do, there is no question about it.

I worked for HP on storage drivers for a decade or so, and had their been a stable ABI, HP would have shipped proprietary storage drivers for everything. Even without a stable ABI, they shipped proprietary drivers at considerable effort, compiling for myriad different distro kernels. It was a nightmare, and good thing too, or there wouldn't be any open source drivers.

Re:Bcachefs may be headed out of the kernel by charcircuit on Friday July 04, 2025 @03:48PM (#44467335)
I never said they wouldn't. Having more and better drivers is a good thing for Linux users. It's okay for proprietary drivers to exist. The kernel isn't meant to be a vehicle to push the free software agenda.
Re:Bcachefs may be headed out of the kernel by throw0101d on Friday July 04, 2025 @01:43PM (#44466468)
> In such a hypothetical FreeBSD could reimplement the stable API of Linux.

Like it does with the userland API of Linux, which is stable:

* https://wiki.freebsd.org/Linuxulator

Re:Bcachefs may be headed out of the kernel by msgodel on Friday July 04, 2025 @01:54PM (#44466547)
It's plenty easy to make drivers now, it's just hard to distribute them without sharing the source.

There is absolutely no good reason not to share driver source though so that's a terrible use case to optimize for.