Not sure whether you’re talking about the Orange Man, but calling him a systems thinker is a hard sell given the damage his tariffs, defunding, and other nonsense are causing.
You have a man who was not part of the elite establishment and yet has managed to get wealthy by breaking the law and avoid getting caught, then managed to become president against all odds, twice.
Sure, he came from wealth, but plenty of other people came from even more wealth and had way more political connections and failed to become presidents.
Hate him all you want, but if achieving all that is not a form of intelligence and system knowledge, I don't know what is.
That still isn’t sufficient evidence in his favor, given everything happening now.
Q: If this was such an obvious slam dunk on how to win the presidency, why didn't the Dems come up with such a candidate? Wouldn't that make them stupider than the Donald for such an obvious oversight of the electorate?
>That still isn’t sufficient evidence in his favor, given everything happening now.
Managing to become president twice is insuficient evidence?
For one thing, the GOP have had a successful campaign over the last 50+ years to win the framing war. They're now able to present themselves as the plucky outsider who'll come in and fix things, even when they're not. Likewise, the Dems are *not* able to do this, even when they are.
Also the Dems are incompetent boobs.
The Democratic party in it's current state is ineffective & incompetent in many ways.
> Managing to become president twice is insufficient evidence?
Yes. You are ignoring the damage he is doing now, which is direct evidence against him being a good “systems thinker”
All world leaders are cut from the same self serving cloth as you don't get to become a presidential nominee if you're a genuine threat to the establishment.
How? They keep giving themselves more tax breaks. Sounds like their ground is just fine.
The morons who support them dont see why this is not the optimal strategy
For the average voter, the grifts are irelevant since all candidates do it anyway, they just want a candidate that executes on their dissatisfactions with the system and that turned out to be the Donald.
Just follow the portfolios of those who funded the campaigns of the presidential winner, it doesn't matter if it's Clinton, Bush, Trump or Obama, all politicians are grifters, since once elected they need to pay back via grifts those who funded their campaigns as that's the main reason wealthy elites spent million for their candidate to win, to get into grifts with the government that make them even richer.
>The morons who support them dont see why this is not the optimal strategy
What IS the optimal strategy? I think MAGA base is getting what they voted for (mass deportations and shit) so for them IT IS the optimal strategy.
If you know both sides are going to leave you worse off, it's probably pretty understandable that I'm always mad at the last guy to take a strip off my ass.
"Vices and virtues" are pretty much irrelevant to systems thinking but they are the bread and butter of tribalism.
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/994/418/48b...
bizarre. tribal thinking doesnt seem to let you comprehend this.
^^ this bit was in anticipation of a response exactly like yours.
I was actually referring to Putin. It was quite impressive to watch him successfully invite sanctions in such a way that they resulted in steady level of export oriented industrialization. This was the same thing Trump was gunning for when he stepped on a tarriff rake of his own design.
The number of people who have done this is vanishingly small (and skeptics raise credible objections about even the best examples).
Jim Simons was such a man, and (to the satisfaction of most) proved it. Some might say the same of Buffet. After that a list that started controversial rapidly gets into the zero consensus asymptote.
So if you genuinely believe that your systems thinking prowess is prescient in its scope like something out of a Herbert novel, I can point you the narrow way through: get an account on Interactive Brokers and ascend!
What's odd is that you'd think tribal thinkers would respond to a track record of being proven correct but they emphatically do not. Moreover they're invariably convinced that you too think tribally.
As an example, I can think of one politician who is definitely a systems thinker (who is not nice, but is successful and generally outplays his opponents because of it) and ~80% of Hacker News is convinced beyond the shadow of any doubt that he's an evil idiot loser who invariably makes stupid mistakes.