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Re:Where is my von Braun wheel? by PaulHoule on Thursday July 03, 2025 @07:08PM (#44459862)
I did an analysis of sending a factory sent to a carbonaceous chondrite asteroid that builds a factory factory which builds a solar sail factory that sends solar sails back to Earth-Sun L1 to counter climate change.

The first thing in the decision tree is "do you send a crew?" and you're trading off the hard problem of teleoperating the thing (need a big advanced in autonomy) vs the hard problem of providing a habitat and liklihood that the crew doesn't come home. So yeah, sending bots ahead to build an environment is an option even on Mars. I think Wall-E.

If you're going that far though you might consider not sending intact humans at all and just sending the eggs and growing them out either artificially or in some other animal.

(I see the Ceres thing as being on the line to interstellar colonization whereas I don't see Mars as such. A likely intermediate step past that is doing something similar on an outer solar system or interstellar body, say, Titan or Pluto, powered by D-D fusion.)

Re:Where is my von Braun wheel? by hx8 on Friday July 04, 2025 @01:32AM (#44461396)
> If you're going that far though you might consider not sending intact humans at all and just sending the eggs and growing them out either artificially or in some other animal.

I don't want to meet the humans that were raised by robots in the astroid belt instead of growing up in a community of humans. I think we would need to 100x our understanding of childhood development to have a chance of raising healthy adults, much less adults that could reintegrate well into 'natural' human societies.

Re:Where is my von Braun wheel? by pbhjpbhj on Friday July 04, 2025 @03:24AM (#44462004)
Fwiw, I Am Mother (2019) explores the idea of children raised by robots. Worth a watch imo.
Re:Where is my von Braun wheel? by pcardoso on Friday July 04, 2025 @06:16AM (#44463144)
Songs of Distant Earth by Clarke also mentions this.
Re:Where is my von Braun wheel? by moring on Friday July 04, 2025 @03:09AM (#44461891)
> The first thing in the decision tree is "do you send a crew?" and you're trading off the hard problem of teleoperating the thing (...)

Tele-operating a whole facility and more is something where you can make huge improvements down here on earth, before you even start into space, and even make a profit from it.