What Happens to Stolen Bicycles?

Re:What Happens to Stolen Bicycles? by fghh45sdfhr3 on Tuesday August 28, 2012 @05:14PM (#4445910)

Bike theft seems like one of those quality-of-life crimes (like graffiti and coercive squeegee-monkeys) that's begging for some kind of creative enforcement strategy.

Or just plain old boring regular enforcement, like Germany and Japan have, which is how they end up with a far lower crime rate than the US or the UK for example.

(They also have a better social safety net, that's part of their low crime rates too.)

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Re:What Happens to Stolen Bicycles? by tkresident on Tuesday August 28, 2012 @05:57PM (#4446086)

Having had two regular bicycles stolen over ten years in Tokyo, I would disagree that the problem is non-existent in Japan, though street crime is indeed relatively rare. Bicycles are commonly used by the majority of people. Authorities need staff dedicated to keeping streets near stations from getting clogged up with secured bikes. An unsecured bicycle near a station might be used as a free ride home by a drunken salaryman, but rarely stolen as a cash generator I guess. No social safety net really exists in Japan. Yet in general, Japanese would not even consider crime when in financial dire straits. I don't believe this has as much to do with enforcement as acute social awareness.

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Re:What Happens to Stolen Bicycles? by stcredzero on Tuesday August 28, 2012 @06:26PM (#4446189)

Much of the fabric of American society has dissolved. This is a kind of social capital which is very powerful and hard to quantify. (It's also threatening to certain governments for precisely this reason.)

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Re:What Happens to Stolen Bicycles? by fghh45sdfhr3 on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @10:12AM (#4448591)

Having had two regular bicycles stolen over ten years in Tokyo, I would disagree that the problem is non-existent in Japan

Two bicycles over ten years compared to how many you would get stolen in the US is "nothing".

That's the problem when comparing crime rates in the US and Japan, people in Japan still feel like there's tons of crime. I suggest you spend a couple of years living in a large US city. I hear San Francisco is very nice.

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Re:What Happens to Stolen Bicycles? by ekianjo on Tuesday August 28, 2012 @10:25PM (#4446802)

I don't think being in financial dire straits is usually a reason for people to turn to crime anywhere in the world. Usually the "conversion" to criminal activities happens before they reach financial issues. The whole link between unemployment <-> crime does not make sense in most cases. There are many ways to survive before resorting to crime.

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Re:What Happens to Stolen Bicycles? by Tichy on Tuesday August 28, 2012 @06:32PM (#4446207)

Bike theft is common in Germany. There are also gangs who drive around with a truck at 3am and steal bikes from backyards. Brilliant: nobody sees them unlocking the bikes in the backyards.

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Re:What Happens to Stolen Bicycles? by tadfisher on Tuesday August 28, 2012 @05:34PM (#4445996)

Violent crime, maybe, but bike theft is pretty common in Japanese cities. It's not so organized as it is in the West, but usually drunk people who "borrow" bikes to get home.

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Re:What Happens to Stolen Bicycles? by eplanit on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @12:41AM (#4447132)

I disagree. I spend much of my time working in Japan, and notice that people rarely ever lock their bikes, and am told by the locals that bicycle theft (and theft, in general) is rare. I have personally witnessed, in fact, a colleague leave a laptop on a bench in a busy district of Tokyo and when he realized it _an hour later_ he returned to find the laptop there, untouched.

There's a lot of cultural difference to factor into the analysis. I think the article holds true for the U.S., and especially the Bay Area. I've had my own bicycle stolen there (despite a hefty U-lock).

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Re:What Happens to Stolen Bicycles? by wisty on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @01:19AM (#4447209)

Also, the Japanese police can hold you for 23 days without trial or formal accusation, if they suspect you stole a bicycle.

If you are charged, you can choose a no-jury trial, or a jury trial with no right to appeal; and Japan has an extremely high conviction rate (though few people are actually charged, the prosecutors are very selective).

If you see a laptop on a park bench, you either leave it or call the police. If you pick it (to check the browser for the owner's email address) and a policeman catches you with it (and they don't need a warrant or even good cause to search you), you can undergo a lot of hassle.

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