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Re:Huawei releases an open weight model trained on Huawei As... by jjordan on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @11:26AM (#44444913)
I don't know why everyone keeps echoing this, my experience with Deepseek-R1, from a coding perspective at least, has been underwhelming at best. Much better experience with GPT 4.1 (and even better with Claude, but that's a different price category).
Re:Huawei releases an open weight model trained on Huawei As... by am17an on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @11:42AM (#44445108)
I'm not arguing which model is better for your use-case. I'm saying in general as it's "powerful" as GPT 4.1 in a lot of benchmarks, and you can peak underneath the hood, even make it better for your said use-case
Re:Huawei releases an open weight model trained on Huawei As... by seunosewa on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @12:01PM (#44445356)
Do you mean V3? V3 is 4.1 level or above.
Re:Huawei releases an open weight model trained on Huawei As... by iJohnDoe on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @11:44AM (#44445130)
I got the impression that 03-mini or 03-mini-high were meant for coding? GPT 4.1 was meant for creative writing, not coding?
Re:Huawei releases an open weight model trained on Huawei As... by conradev on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @11:53AM (#44445258)
It’s good at a lot of things:

  GPT‑4.1 scores 54.6% on SWE-bench Verified, improving by 21.4%abs over GPT‑4o and 26.6%abs over GPT‑4.5—making it a leading model for coding.
https://openai.com/index/gpt-4-1/
Re:Huawei releases an open weight model trained on Huawei As... by coliveira on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @06:27PM (#44449502)
They are trained on these "benchmarks", that's why they score better.
Re:Huawei releases an open weight model trained on Huawei As... by elzbardico on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @07:02PM (#44449736)
If they were trained on those benchmarks they would score 100%
Re:Huawei releases an open weight model trained on Huawei As... by coliveira on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @07:15PM (#44449837)
They show how bad they are, they cannot score 100% on benchmarks they were trained on.
Re:Huawei releases an open weight model trained on Huawei As... by jorvi on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @01:25PM (#44446405)
This is everyone with every model.

People sang praise from the roof for Google's Gemini 2.5 models, but in many things for me they can't even beat Deepseek V3.

Re:Huawei releases an open weight model trained on Huawei As... by CamperBob2 on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @01:30PM (#44446492)
What would be an example of 2.5 Pro failing against R1 (which is what you'd actually want to compare it to)?
Re:Huawei releases an open weight model trained on Huawei As... by jorvi on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @01:50PM (#44446730)
R1 sometimes fails against V3 for me too, so its not a specific dig against Gemini.

In terms of code and science, Gemini is way, way too verbose in its output, and because of that it ends up getting confused by itself and hurting the quality of longer windows.

R1 does this too, but it poisons itself in the reasoning loop. You can see it during the streaming, literally criss-crossing its thoughts and thinking itself into loops before it finally arrives at an answer.

On top of that, both R1 and Gemini Pro / Flash are mediocre at anything creative. I can accept that from R1, since it's mainly meant as more of a "hard sciences" model, but Gemini is meant to be an all-purpose model.

If you pit Gemini, Deepseek R1 and Deepseek V3 against each other in a writing contest, V3 will blow both of them out of the water.

Re:Huawei releases an open weight model trained on Huawei As... by CamperBob2 on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @02:12PM (#44447018)
Agreed on the last point, V3 is terrifyingly good at narrative writing. And yes, R1 talks itself out of correct answers almost as often as it talks itself into them.

But in general 2.5 Pro is an extremely strong model. It may lose out in some respects to o3-pro, but o3-pro is so much slower that its utility tends to be limited by my own attention span. I don't think either would have much to fear from V3, though, except possibly in the area of short fiction composition.

Re:Huawei releases an open weight model trained on Huawei As... by Zambyte on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @02:17PM (#44447076)
In my experience, all reasoning models feel (vibely) worse at structured output like code versus comparable non-reasoning models, but far better at knowledge-based answering.
Re:Huawei releases an open weight model trained on Huawei As... by hnfong on Thursday July 03, 2025 @03:23AM (#44452508)
A lot of software (eg. ollama) has confusingly named Deepseek's distill/finetunes of other base models "DeepSeek-R1" as well. See eg. https://www.threads.com/@si.fong/post/DKSdUOHzaBB

I wonder whether you're actually running the proper DeepSeek-R1 model, or one of those lesser finetunes?