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Re:Effectiveness of trees in reducing temperature & outdoor ... by zamadatix on Tuesday July 01, 2025 @07:38PM (#44438938)
There is something to be said for the parts about shading the surface too though. You're unlikely to cool an entire desert a significant amount with water you bring in but if that's something that happens as part of keeping the actual surfaces in the city cooler during peak heat times on top of the air cooling effects of evaporation then the sum result is greater than the parts in terms of effect.

Of course it's Vegas, I wouldn't be surprised if we decided to make the downtown completely indoors so we could just run AC in the streets too. It's not exactly the city of practicality.

Re:Effectiveness of trees in reducing temperature & outdoor ... by trhway on Tuesday July 01, 2025 @09:14PM (#44439407)
They do outdoor AC in [some places in some] parks in Qatar.
Re:Effectiveness of trees in reducing temperature & outdoor ... by firesteelrain on Tuesday July 01, 2025 @09:35PM (#44439521)
Sounds like Qatar. Innovative and expensive.
Re:Effectiveness of trees in reducing temperature & outdoor ... by saagarjha on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @06:20AM (#44441959)
Qatar is basically Vegas if it had more money.
Re:Effectiveness of trees in reducing temperature & outdoor ... by chrisweekly on Tuesday July 01, 2025 @09:37PM (#44439528)
Under the sand on the beach, too!
Re:Effectiveness of trees in reducing temperature & outdoor ... by sandworm101 on Tuesday July 01, 2025 @09:43PM (#44439554)
>> the downtown completely indoors so we could just run AC in the streets too.

So ... a shopping mall? Many cities do this already, linking various public indoor spaces by walkways/tunnels. Also those cities where the air outside is too cold. A few canadian universities link buildings with tunnels so students can avoid going outside.

Re:Effectiveness of trees in reducing temperature & outdoor ... by lmz on Tuesday July 01, 2025 @10:52PM (#44439838)
Re:Effectiveness of trees in reducing temperature & outdoor ... by zamadatix on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @08:58AM (#44443198)
Cooling the streets is nothing like a mall or growing tbe walkway connections, those are much too sensible.
Re:Effectiveness of trees in reducing temperature & outdoor ... by sneak on Tuesday July 01, 2025 @10:57PM (#44439870)
If you cover the roof in solar, it will generate more than sufficient power to air condition it.
Re:Effectiveness of trees in reducing temperature & outdoor ... by gsf_emergency_2 on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @02:02AM (#44440647)
>on top of the air cooling effects of evaporation

I think you meant to say *on top of shade* because blocking the sun is the main effect here (the geometry makes more sense too!)

Less confusing phrase from abstract which implies that the 0.5deg evaporative cooling is almost a rounding error:

  during the day, trees provide significant shade by intercepting solar radiation, reducing mean radiant temperature (up to 16 °C)
Re:Effectiveness of trees in reducing temperature & outdoor ... by bmacho on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @04:03AM (#44441208)

   during the day, trees provide significant shade by intercepting solar radiation, reducing mean radiant temperature (up to 16 °C)
Sadly they work the opposite way at night, they don't allow SPACE to cool the ground. A textil/plastic plate moved automatically can provide more cold, if that's the goal.
Re:Effectiveness of trees in reducing temperature & outdoor ... by gsf_emergency_2 on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @04:16AM (#44441269)
The best way imho is the triple combo of shade, radiative cooling, and water harvesting

Only ambient sunlight needed here, but they'd have to make the panels vertical

https://www.thebrighterside.news/post/mits-high-tech-hydroge...

Re:Effectiveness of trees in reducing temperature & outdoor ... by bobthepanda on Wednesday July 02, 2025 @04:33AM (#44441351)
It really depends on how broad and high the tree canopy is; you don’t need super high tree density to provide a lot of shade.

The main benefit over other solutions is that properly selected trees require very little upkeep from humans, unlike anything mechanical or requiring movement. Though I imagine that is less the case in Vegas.