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Re:US Supreme Court limits federal judges' power to block Tr... by EasyMark on Friday June 27, 2025 @05:49PM (#44400550)
It's not valid. When you're in a country you are subject to it's laws, whether it's the USA or Somalia
Re:US Supreme Court limits federal judges' power to block Tr... by CamperBob2 on Friday June 27, 2025 @06:04PM (#44400675)
They have more guns than we do. It's valid.
Re:US Supreme Court limits federal judges' power to block Tr... by Jensson on Friday June 27, 2025 @05:56PM (#44400610)
If you are an undocumented immigrant so the country doesn't know about you then its arguable.
Re:US Supreme Court limits federal judges' power to block Tr... by boothby on Friday June 27, 2025 @06:32PM (#44400874)
If a foreign diplomat is pulled over by the cops after running over a pedestrian, they can flash an ID card and drive away. If an undocumented immigrant does the same, they go directly to jail and probably get deported in short order. That's what jurisdiction means.

In ordinary times, the notion of establishing precedent that immigrants are not under the jurisdiction of the US would be met with sputtering indignance for all but the most idealistic anarchists. Because that goes way beyond open borders, it promotes foreigners to super-citizens untouchable by the law.

Re:US Supreme Court limits federal judges' power to block Tr... by sorcerer-mar on Friday June 27, 2025 @06:16PM (#44400783)
No it's not. In fact the concept of "undocumented immigrant" or even just "immigrant" only makes sense in the context of an asserted jurisdiction.
Re:US Supreme Court limits federal judges' power to block Tr... by etchalon on Friday June 27, 2025 @08:04PM (#44401394)
Undocumented or not, you are always subject to our laws.
Re:US Supreme Court limits federal judges' power to block Tr... by freen on Friday June 27, 2025 @07:55PM (#44401361)
They are not subject to the law of the land and can act with full legal immunity?
Re:US Supreme Court limits federal judges' power to block Tr... by 1659447091 on Friday June 27, 2025 @06:43PM (#44400963)
I mean they paid some $97 Billion in federal, state, and local taxes in 2022 [0], the country knows about them, and taxes them. They contribute so much to the economy Texas refuses to have business verify worker's work status for fear of the economic impact it would have.

[0] https://itep.org/undocumented-immigrants-taxes-2024/

Re:US Supreme Court limits federal judges' power to block Tr... by nwallin on Friday June 27, 2025 @09:18PM (#44401659)
No.

First of all, if an undocumented person commits a crime, they're not going to just let them go because they didn't have a birth certificate or passport or a documented name. They'll charge you, try you, and convict you same as anyone else. That's what it means to be subject to the jurisdiction.

The "subject to the jurisdiction" clause has two reasons. First and foremost is American Indians. American Indians, at the time, were explicitly not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. Various tribes had treaties with the US government explicitly exempting their tribe members from federal, state, and local jurisdiction. At the same time, they were not considered US citizens. An American Indian could literally commit murder and the only legal recourse was to petition their tribe to bring justice to them. (there was also extra-legal recourse, which was a lot more common, but that's neither here nor there)

The other reason is diplomats. Diplomats have diplomatic immunity. They commit a murder? Not a lot you can do. (Hollywood overstates this, but not by as much as you might think) They didn't want to grant citizenship to the child if every diplomat.

This doesn't apply to illegal immigrants. There is no treaty or existing legal framework which grants them immunity to the law.