Starcloud says 1 launch, $8M but ISS tech says 17 launches, $850M+

Re:Starcloud says 1 launch, $8M but ISS tech says 17 launche... by protocolture on Thursday June 26, 2025 @11:35PM (#44393486)

>The mass analysis also doesn't appear to include the massive number of heat pipes you would need to transfer the heat from the chips to the radiators. For an orbiting datacenter, that would probably be the single biggest mass allocation.

And once you remove all the moving parts, you just fill the whole thing with oil rather than air and let heat transfer more smoothly to the radiators.

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Re:Starcloud says 1 launch, $8M but ISS tech says 17 launche... by littlestymaar on Friday June 27, 2025 @01:57AM (#44394027)

First, oil is much heavier than air.

Second: you still need radiators to dissipate heat that is in oil somehow.

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Re:Starcloud says 1 launch, $8M but ISS tech says 17 launche... by sagarm on Friday June 27, 2025 @01:57AM (#44394033)

Does using oil solve the mass problem? Liquids aren't light.

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Re:Starcloud says 1 launch, $8M but ISS tech says 17 launche... by protocolture on Friday June 27, 2025 @02:05AM (#44394075)

I would wager that its lighter than:

Repair robots

Enough air between servers to allow robots to access and replace componentry.

Spare componentry.

An eject/return system.

Heatpipes from every server to the radiators.

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Re:Starcloud says 1 launch, $8M but ISS tech says 17 launche... by junon on Friday June 27, 2025 @02:50AM (#44394309)

I would wager it isn't.

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Re:Starcloud says 1 launch, $8M but ISS tech says 17 launche... by spauldo on Saturday June 28, 2025 @01:14PM (#44406357)

A light oil has a density of 700kg per cubic meter. Most common oils are denser.

Then you'd need vanes, agitators, and pumps to keep the oil moving around without forming eddies. These would need to be fairly bulky compared to fans and fan motors.

I'd have to see what an engineering team came up with, but at first glance the liquid solution would be much heavier and likely more maintenance intensive.

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Re:Starcloud says 1 launch, $8M but ISS tech says 17 launche... by MadnessASAP on Friday June 27, 2025 @02:23AM (#44394167)

Oil, like air, doesn't convent well in 0G, you'll need pretty hefty pumps and well designed layouts to ensure no hot spots form. Heat pipes are at least passive and don't depend on gravity.

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Re:Starcloud says 1 launch, $8M but ISS tech says 17 launche... by qmr on Friday June 27, 2025 @02:42AM (#44394266)

Mineral oil density is around 900kg / cubic meter.

Not sure this is such a great idea.

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