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Re:Puerto Rico's Solar Microgrids Beat Blackout by soco on Thursday June 26, 2025 @06:35AM (#44386020)
Ok, this makes sense. I would only add the low-trust society evolving in the west, including the US, which is definitely not caused by socialism. Maybe it's just the way we (all) fall?
Re:Puerto Rico's Solar Microgrids Beat Blackout by miningape on Thursday June 26, 2025 @06:49AM (#44386091)
> which is definitely not caused by socialism

Currently, in western countries, socialist policies to import the 3rd world and open borders are directly responsible for the lowering social trust.

> “immigrant rights are workers rights” is not mere rhetoric, and that the defense of migrants and refugees – the vast majority of whom are poor workers – is pivotal to the struggle of the entire global working class regardless of national origin. [1]

[1] https://sfarchive.dsausa.org/issues/fall-2019/editorial-note...

Re:Puerto Rico's Solar Microgrids Beat Blackout by supplied_demand on Thursday June 26, 2025 @08:42AM (#44386869)
== Currently, in western countries, socialist policies to import the 3rd world and open borders are directly responsible for the lowering social trust.==

I don’t know of any western country with an “open borders” policy, can you provide one? Is there a part of the US’s 250 year history where we weren’t bringing in immigrants from poorer countries to provide cheap labor?

Re:Puerto Rico's Solar Microgrids Beat Blackout by miningape on Thursday June 26, 2025 @09:24AM (#44387183)
For very specific examples you can look towards the EU's decades long stance on immigration which resulted in the refugee crisis since (and before) 2015, as well as countless integration and immigration issues (cf Sweden, France, Italy, etc.).

The socialist and left wing coalition have consistently voted against measures to improve border security and tighten the restrictions for people wanting to enter [1]. As people have become increasingly frustrated with these policies they've increasingly voted in right wing and conservative parties (in comparison to the ruling parties) [2].

We can also look towards the UK where socialist politics have been a mainstay since the 90s, to the point where now the Prime Minister (Kier Starmer, Labour) is a self-proclaimed socialist [3]. This is of course directly tied to the waves of mass migration under Tony Blair (Labour) which also resulted in the Socialist Party splitting from Labour because he wasn't "radical enough" [4].

[1] https://theconversation.com/what-are-the-eus-new-migration-r...

[2] https://www.brookings.edu/articles/understanding-europes-tur...

[3] https://www.vice.com/en/article/keir-starmer-i-still-see-mys...

[4] https://www.socialistparty.org.uk/articles/94799/27-04-2022/...

Re:Puerto Rico's Solar Microgrids Beat Blackout by Loudergood on Thursday June 26, 2025 @10:02AM (#44387536)
The refugee crises are largely "Push" driven not "Pull" driven.
Re:Puerto Rico's Solar Microgrids Beat Blackout by overfeed on Thursday June 26, 2025 @11:13AM (#44388208)
...and the "push" was caused by alliances of western countries destabilizing the migrants' home countries.
Re:Puerto Rico's Solar Microgrids Beat Blackout by anonfordays on Thursday June 26, 2025 @12:44PM (#44389045)
That "push" is pressure, and Western leftists opened the valve wide open to allow all the flow into the West.
Re:Puerto Rico's Solar Microgrids Beat Blackout by supplied_demand on Friday June 27, 2025 @08:03AM (#44396108)
I don’t see an Open Borders policy in any of those links. Most of them are about how the countries are tightening their rules for allowing migrants. You cannot tighten rules unless they already exist, they wouldn’t exist if the policy was Open Borders.

Invoking “socialists” over-and-over doesn’t prove anything about Open Borders and kind of undercuts your point. There’s also no mention of right-wing leaders like Ronald Reagan or George Bush. They both pushed policies that increase immigration and asylum seekers.

Re:Puerto Rico's Solar Microgrids Beat Blackout by supplied_demand on Friday June 27, 2025 @12:19PM (#44398025)
==We can also look towards the UK where socialist politics have been a mainstay since the 90s,==

The UK was lead by the Conservative party continuously from 2010-2024. You somehow skipped all of that and went straight from Tony Blair to Keir Starmer.

Re:Puerto Rico's Solar Microgrids Beat Blackout by naasking on Thursday June 26, 2025 @11:10AM (#44388193)
> Is there a part of the US’s 250 year history where we weren’t bringing in immigrants from poorer countries to provide cheap labor?

Pretty sure they're referring to a de facto open border policy, where you basically permit all sorts of illegal immigration and don't really enforce the laws. Accepting immigrants at Ellis island was not illegal immigration, for instance, but crossings at the southern border often have been.

Re:Puerto Rico's Solar Microgrids Beat Blackout by supplied_demand on Friday June 27, 2025 @08:05AM (#44396119)
== Pretty sure they're referring to a de facto open border policy,==

I’m summary, not open borders.

Re:Puerto Rico's Solar Microgrids Beat Blackout by naasking on Friday June 27, 2025 @09:03AM (#44396486)
De facto policies are still active policies, even if they aren't de jure.
Re:Puerto Rico's Solar Microgrids Beat Blackout by supplied_demand on Friday June 27, 2025 @12:16PM (#44397991)
You haven't demonstrated that it is de facto policy, only asserted that it is.
Re:Puerto Rico's Solar Microgrids Beat Blackout by paulryanrogers on Thursday June 26, 2025 @08:47AM (#44386906)
The West is slipping because the rich privatize the profits and socialize the costs. It's the worst of both models.

The USA thrived when free markets and value creation were encouraged yet heavily regulated. That way the benefits and costs didn't become too concentrated