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Re:Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home fro... by roenxi on Monday June 23, 2025 @07:40AM (#44354697)
The US might literally just not give it to them. Germany has been trying to ask for their gold back for a while IIRC and they generally get an explanation that paraphrases to it being a very complex operation to pull off and they should come back next year.

The US has enough leverage over Germany that the Nord Stream incident is still an unsolved mystery where everyone just moved on. Probably the Russians did it. That's a lot of leverage.

Re:Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home fro... by holowoodman on Monday June 23, 2025 @07:54AM (#44354825)
The official line in Germany is actually that Ukraine most probably did it: https://www.tagesschau.de/investigativ/ndr-wdr/nordstream-17... https://www.br.de/nachrichten/deutschland-welt/nord-stream-s... https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/nord-stream-pipeline-explos...

Knowledge or agreement by Selensky is unclear, but there seem to be hints. Poland might have been complicit or at least turned a blind eye and seems to have let a wanted suspect escape to Ukraine.

Re:Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home fro... by bluecalm on Monday June 23, 2025 @08:02AM (#44354896)
From purely incentive based analysis I would bet on Ukraine/Poland as well. I am Polish and the news was received very warmly here by both citizens and government officials.
Re:Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home fro... by petre on Monday June 23, 2025 @08:37AM (#44355169)
The news of the Nordstream bombings was received warmly in most of Central and Eastern Europe, not just Poland. The men and women who carried out the operation are heroes.
Re:Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home fro... by dontlaugh on Monday June 23, 2025 @09:16AM (#44355530)
I don’t think that’s true. I know people in many Eastern European countries and the general opinion was dismay at a US proxy stoking war.
Re:Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home fro... by vintermann on Monday June 23, 2025 @08:50AM (#44355279)
Even if someone else did it other than the obvious culprit, it could not have been done without US blessing and assistance.
Re:Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home fro... by pydry on Monday June 23, 2025 @08:11AM (#44354963)
Politics dictated this official line just like the previous official line of "Russia did it".
Re:Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home fro... by andy_ppp on Monday June 23, 2025 @07:55AM (#44354837)
People struggle with uncertainty so much that any magical thinking they can come up with will do… we simply don’t know the truth on this at all.
Re:Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home fro... by orbital-decay on Monday June 23, 2025 @08:20AM (#44355034)
Only those who don't want to see certain things and mirror the Russian propaganda line ("we will never know the truth"). This case is pretty thoroughly investigated, down to the names, timelines, and interviews with people who did this.
Re:Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home fro... by andy_ppp on Monday June 23, 2025 @10:32AM (#44356189)
Okay, you’re making some claims here, I’m not saying you’re wrong but could you provide some high quality references that contain proof of this?
Re:Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home fro... by orbital-decay on Monday June 23, 2025 @11:30AM (#44356794)
What's high quality to you? I personally don't consider WaPo, WSJ, and alikes high quality in this case as their investigations are mostly summaries of authorities claims/leaks and OSINT types' findings with little to add, but here you are. [1][2][3] I don't save everything about this, there's a ton more detail floating around, nearly on the same level as MH17.

[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/11/11/...

[2] https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/nord-stream-wie-e...

[3] https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/nord-stream-pipeline-explos...

Re:Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home fro... by niffydroid on Monday June 23, 2025 @07:45AM (#44354741)
I thought this has been attributed to pro russian Ukrainians on the far right?
Re:Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home fro... by JyB on Monday June 23, 2025 @07:52AM (#44354813)
Or US/Norwegian forces covered by NATO exercises.
Re:Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home fro... by StefanBatory on Monday June 23, 2025 @07:54AM (#44354830)
We do know know, there are so many people who would have loved to see Nord Stream blown up.

Our foreign minister for example in Poland, thanked USA for doing so :P I for example I'm happy NS2 got blown up, as it means relative safety for us. Germans won't be able to just go on about their business with Russia in the future.

Re:Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home fro... by StefanBatory on Monday June 23, 2025 @04:28PM (#44359735)
Of course, that was supposed to be - we do not know, not this.

Sorry, that's what I get for writing w/o thinking and I can't edit it now.

Re:Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home fro... by owebmaster on Monday June 23, 2025 @07:52AM (#44354815)
And what would be the reason in this theory?
Re:Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home fro... by belorn on Monday June 23, 2025 @09:26AM (#44355602)
There are two boats that are under primary suspicion. One Russian salvage ship named SS-750 that carries a mini-submarine, which circled around for no apparent reason in the vicinity of the explosion area 4 days before the explosion. Then there is another boat, a 50-foot (15.4m) sailing yacht named Andromeda, was reportedly near the site of two of the three explosions in the days before they occurred. Traces of military explosives were found on Andromeda.

The Andromeda ship was operated by an Ukrainian national, and rented by a company from Uzbekistan, the owner of which holds a Russian and a Ukrainian passport which resident is located in the annexed Crimea.

In addition there are around 5 more ships that have been in the area.

There have been and still are multiple investigations. Sweden and Denmark dropped the cases citing lack of jurisdiction/basis to continue investigation. Germany issued an arrest warrant toward suspected operators of the Andromeda ship.

There was an alleged leaked Dutch intelligence report that implicated Ukrainians that was given to the The Washington Post, but military analysts from Sweden and Denmark has expressed strong doubts of the practicality of an 15.4-metre sailing boat to do a 80 meter technical dive using a crew of 6 to plant that much explosives (over 500kg) and at 3 different sites. As such they has described the Andromeda theory as a distraction and false flag.

Re:Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home fro... by lovasoa on Monday June 23, 2025 @07:58AM (#44354857)
A consortium of investigative journalists investigated and attributed the attacks the Ukraine's secret service: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_Stream_pipelines_sabotage