Are you sure you are not just buying a narrative being pushed to you? Who benefits from Greta Thunberg the outspoken activist against climate change and Israel’s campaign in Gaza being labelled a narcissist?

Yeah, her behavior of being outspoken and blunt. And female, of course.

You really don't have to personally like someone for them to have useful information

The nazi party member Pascual Jordan contributed significantly to quantum physics but it's rarely mentioned because of that association. On the flip side, also the nazis ignored his suggestions for advanced weaponry, to their detriment I would imagine, because he valued jewish scientific contributions and so was considered unreliable politically. (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascual_Jordan, discovered via AstroGeo podcast)

Also consider that you're on hacker news. Hacker ethics, or at least the version I've internalised, include judging people by what they say, not who is saying it (race, gender, and authority are commonly mentioned, but charismacy could also easily fall in that category)

I'm confused about your argument. At first, i didn't contest her cause or beliefs or usefulness of information. And second, I'm talking about how she speaks. I do not have good words to describe it (inflammatory, immature, full of self?). I do not believe this is a bogus criterium in the sense of the hacker ethics.

The "she is unlikable" argument is just working backwards. It is a mechanism to criticize climate activism without having to talk about the ways in which climate change is a crime against our children. There is no possible behavior that she could take that would not produce this "she is unlikable" response except to never speak in public whatsoever.

A bit less of the superlatives would help.

> ... talk about the ways in which climate change is a crime against our children.

For example, how is this phrase supposed to work, rhetorically. Shaming people into joining your cause?

Don't you think it is funny that you are doing the same thing people are doing to Thunberg?

I do not believe that it would help. Respectability politics does not have an especially strong track record. Complaints merely shift.

I believe very deeply that climate change is a crime against our children. This is not me hyperbolizing.

I get it, your beliefs are strong, so must be your politics. Its somehow my fault for not liking your methods.

Gnah, just find your supporters elsewhere...

I will. I am not demanding that you end up as a supporter. What I'm saying is that I do not expect that me choosing different words would make you a supporter even if I tried.

What's baffling and funny to me is that the so called "facts dont care about your feelings crowd" folks in US politics have similar takes to yours. That liberals cannot call out the heinous lawlessness and absurdity of the Trump administration because telling the truth is "too polarizing" or some similar BS.

It's horseshoe theory of snowflake-ism. If you can't handle the facts that we're killing the climate and that the felon seditionist is a threat to democracy, man up.

When human life faces trials of natural selection, it doesn't matter who is at fault, whether its the allegedly capable people who could have worked harder to psychologically engineer their messages, or the snowflakes who are too sensitive to decouple the tone from the fact. If climate kills us, its just that. We'll be dead regardless and we'll all be to blame.