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Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by paxys on Saturday June 21, 2025 @09:24PM (#44342286)
Ukraine and Iran have showed that if a country doesn't have nukes they don't have sovereignty.
Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by lesuorac on Saturday June 21, 2025 @10:18PM (#44342734)
I think Pakistan is the example you're looking for.

US spend a decade fighting in Afghanistan and 0 years in Pakistan despite UBL being in Pakistan.

Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by ExaltedPunt on Saturday June 21, 2025 @10:49PM (#44342969)
Osama Bin Laden could have turned up outside the White house to hand himself in and they still would have gone into Afghanistan and Iraq.

9/11 was used as an excuse to for these regime change wars. There are old videos where they were talking about doing this in the 2000s.

Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by csomar on Sunday June 22, 2025 @12:27AM (#44343619)
North Korea is another example.
Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by mensetmanusman on Sunday June 22, 2025 @12:05AM (#44343495)
Russia was the first nuclear armed state to lose territory to a retired comedian.
Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by ericmay on Saturday June 21, 2025 @09:33PM (#44342369)
Well, it’s not really that simple. Plenty of countries are still sovereign without nuclear weapons.

And even nuclear armed nations aren’t exactly able to use their weapons to devastate an opponents military - see Ukraine and Russia.

Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by dkjaudyeqooe on Saturday June 21, 2025 @10:03PM (#44342628)
Thats because they have friends with nukes (or thought they did).
Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by tgv on Sunday June 22, 2025 @08:00AM (#44346159)
Iran also has friends wit nukes: Russian and China. And China does care: it needs a secure oil supply.
Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by paxys on Saturday June 21, 2025 @09:40PM (#44342431)
Which country? Do you think Canada is sovereign? Do you think it will be able to defend itself if Trump gives the military an order to make them the 51st state by any means necessary?
Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by ericmay on Saturday June 21, 2025 @09:44PM (#44342472)
Well, Afghanistan defended itself for a bit. As did Vietnam, as clear examples. Neither possess nuclear weapons.

Today countries as various as Brazil and Australia are independent, sovereign nations. Even Ukraine which was invaded by nuclear-armed Russia is still sovereign and fighting. Iran for that matter still has its sovereignty, they just lost some military assets.

Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by nemothekid on Saturday June 21, 2025 @09:52PM (#44342535)
Canada is sovereign because of its proximity and interconnection with US. If your economy is large enough, you can "nuke" your opponents by using mutually assured poverty.

But I largely agree, if you aren't a giant economy and you don't have nukes - then if the US or Russia accesses you of building nukes, you need to start building nukes ASAP.

Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by jordanb on Saturday June 21, 2025 @10:39PM (#44342898)
> Do you think Canada is sovereign

Well the prime minister who was elected promising not to bend the knee to Trump has bent the knee to trump.

https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2025/06/20/Carney-Elbows-Down/

Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by twothreeone on Saturday June 21, 2025 @11:06PM (#44343095)
I was looking forward to an interesting argument, sadly it's just a very badly written opinion piece.
Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by ericmay on Saturday June 21, 2025 @10:48PM (#44342964)
Ok and so now Canada isn’t a sovereign country? That would be astonishing news to Canadians everywhere! Can someone tell them??!
Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by ekianjo on Saturday June 21, 2025 @10:02PM (#44342617)
Taiwan has no nukes, and still has not been invaded by China.
Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by amanaplanacanal on Saturday June 21, 2025 @11:06PM (#44343091)
Taiwan has a good friend with nukes though.
Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by ekianjo on Sunday June 22, 2025 @12:35AM (#44343676)
Most countries have good friends with nukes. Iran included.
Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by jopsen on Sunday June 22, 2025 @03:44PM (#44349705)
Does Iran have friends or are they more like business relationships?

Even despite Trump, I think the US and many western countries have actual friends that would show up if bad things happened.

Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by anonnon on Sunday June 22, 2025 @05:52AM (#44345506)
The US isn't nuking China over Taiwan, and China maintains an explicit "no first use" policy.
Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by pixelpoet on Saturday June 21, 2025 @11:00PM (#44343053)
I don't expect this to stay true for very long :(
Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by hajile on Sunday June 22, 2025 @10:54AM (#44347406)
TSMC is an economic nuke and not just by accident. The Taiwanese intentionally tried with several industries it heavily subsidized to find one where it could make itself so valuable that other countries (with nukes) would be compelled to protect it (potentially with nukes).
Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by have-a-break on Saturday June 21, 2025 @09:41PM (#44342443)
Next would be manufacturing your own smartphones. Sad that not making weapons and enslaving your own populace makes you subject to external countries.
Re:Trump says US has bombed Fordo nuclear plant in attack on... by busterarm on Saturday June 21, 2025 @10:00PM (#44342608)
That is until some country proves that developing nukes means you no longer have a country.

It looks like it might even be Iran.