Re:Giant, All-Seeing Telescope Is Set to Revolutionize Astro...
by walrus01 on Thursday June 19, 2025 @10:39PM
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Is there a figure somewhere on how many TB of images this will produce per day when running in automated sky survey mode?
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Re:Giant, All-Seeing Telescope Is Set to Revolutionize Astro...
by Jgrubb on Thursday June 19, 2025 @10:50PM
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> The vast archive, growing by 20 terabytes each night, will after 1 year contain more optical astronomy data than that produced by all previous telescopes combined.
Re:Giant, All-Seeing Telescope Is Set to Revolutionize Astro...
by 9dev on Friday June 20, 2025 @02:31AM
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73 PB over the full runtime of the survey. That’s a nice new datacenter filled to the brim with images.
Re:Giant, All-Seeing Telescope Is Set to Revolutionize Astro...
by jankeymeulen on Friday June 20, 2025 @03:26AM
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Storage densities these days are kinda amazing, it's not that much of a datacenter. Assuming you chunk it with triple redundancy, that's 220k TB raw. 10k 22 TB disks, you put them in one of those 4U 50 disk storage pods. 200 pods, 10 of those in a rack with some space left for a switch and power, so that's only 20 racks.
Re:Giant, All-Seeing Telescope Is Set to Revolutionize Astro...
by LiamPowell on Friday June 20, 2025 @10:03AM
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Only 50 disks? WD sells a 102 disk 4u box and Seagate sells a 106 disk one.
Re:Giant, All-Seeing Telescope Is Set to Revolutionize Astro...
by jl6 on Friday June 20, 2025 @02:48AM
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Probably about 10 racks if using dense HDDs.
Re:Giant, All-Seeing Telescope Is Set to Revolutionize Astro...
by ethan_smith on Friday June 20, 2025 @03:57AM
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The Rubin Observatory will generate approximately 20TB of raw image data per night, with an annual data production of about 15PB for the 10-year survey.
Re:Giant, All-Seeing Telescope Is Set to Revolutionize Astro...
by blop on Friday June 20, 2025 @04:04AM
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I found this pdf presentation with lots of great technical details about data management and a devops infra oriented view of this telescope: https://ci-compass.org/assets/602137/2025jan23_cicompass_rub...
Worth a read for the devops guys around here!
- about 20TB per day, around 100PB expected for the whole survey
- 0.5PB ceph cluster for local data
- workloads on 20 nodes kubernetes cluster/argocd
- physical infra managed with puppet/ansible
- 100Gbs(+40Gs backup) fiber connection to US-based datacenter for further processing
Re:Giant, All-Seeing Telescope Is Set to Revolutionize Astro...
by Melatonic on Friday June 20, 2025 @04:43AM
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Insanity - love it
Re:Giant, All-Seeing Telescope Is Set to Revolutionize Astro...
by cycomanic on Friday June 20, 2025 @06:07AM
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If you think this is insanity I encourage you to look up the expected data to come out of the SKA. Even after several processing steps they expect several hundred PB/year (the raw data which is not being archived is several orders of magnitude more). That is only SKA-low I think for SKA-mid we are talking Exabyte/year. I recall that their chief scientist said once they are operational they will process more data than google and facebook combined.
Re:Giant, All-Seeing Telescope Is Set to Revolutionize Astro...
by cb321 on Friday June 20, 2025 @06:24AM
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Yeppers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square_Kilometre_Array
In-page search for "data challenges". Pfew, that's a lot of data.
Re:Giant, All-Seeing Telescope Is Set to Revolutionize Astro...
by newpavlov on Friday June 20, 2025 @10:41AM
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I wonder if they could reduce the data size at rest by using specialized compressing techniques. Your probably could build an averaged "model" of the sky observed by the telescope (probably with account for stellar parallax and bright planets) and store only compressed diffs, not full images.
But I guess, since storage is relatively cheap, it's simply impractical to bother with such complexity.
Re:Giant, All-Seeing Telescope Is Set to Revolutionize Astro...
by xhkkffbf on Friday June 20, 2025 @11:26AM
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There's quite a bit of black out there. That should compress easily.
Re:Giant, All-Seeing Telescope Is Set to Revolutionize Astro...
by newpavlov on Friday June 20, 2025 @12:09PM
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The usual lossless image compression algorithms is the given. I am talking about compressing it further since the telescope observes the same (or largely overlapping) patches of the sky and the most significant signal is stars, which are more or less "constant". At the very least, they probably could use the lossless "animation" compression algorithms like APNG or FLIF for consequent images of the same sky patch.
Re:Giant, All-Seeing Telescope Is Set to Revolutionize Astro...
by aragilar on Saturday June 21, 2025 @03:56AM
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Look up fpack and funpack.
Re:Giant, All-Seeing Telescope Is Set to Revolutionize Astro...
by blop on Friday June 20, 2025 @12:00PM
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actually the telescope devops guys were hiring a couple years ago on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38101085 :-D