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Re:Estrogen: A Trip Report by comrade1234 on Thursday June 19, 2025 @06:10PM (#44322983)
You're telling me you can just go to a Walgreens in the USA and get a bag of estrogen and start injecting it without the advice and monitoring of a doctor? Even though hormone replacement therapy can lead to all kinds of problems? Is this normal?
Re:Estrogen: A Trip Report by cobertos on Thursday June 19, 2025 @06:15PM (#44323022)
No. This is incorrect. OP explicitly mentions "jumping through bureaucratic hoops"

> Not long after, I had jumped through the relevant bureaucratic hoops, and subsequently found myself cycling home from the pharmacy

Re:Estrogen: A Trip Report by comrade1234 on Thursday June 19, 2025 @07:21PM (#44323409)
No mention of a doctor or monitoring. I don't live in the USA - bureaucratic hoops sounds like what I go through to get my id renewed.
Re:Estrogen: A Trip Report by ghushn3 on Thursday June 19, 2025 @10:57PM (#44324354)
I believe it's implied. Typically the bureaucratic hoops involve 1-2 mental health professionals writing letters in support, potentially 0-2 years "living as the gender" before they will write those letters, meetings with your doctor, bloodwork for baseline hormone levels (sometimes multiple times), and then finally you might get a scrip.

But if you encounter someone along the way who doesn't want to co-operate, you might need to redo those steps. It's really rather difficult, depending on where you are.

Re:Estrogen: A Trip Report by cube_flipper on Friday June 20, 2025 @08:07AM (#44326921)
I was living maybe ten minutes' walk from the local testing clinic at the time so it was actually pretty easy to monitor my blood work.
Re:Estrogen: A Trip Report by runeblaze on Thursday June 19, 2025 @06:51PM (#44323261)
My opinion is that at least (safe, not spiro) anti-androgens should be able to be bought OTC. If some people want to place blockers on themselves they should be allowed to. I mean if you don't allow them to they DIY
Re:Estrogen: A Trip Report by foxmoder on Thursday June 19, 2025 @07:23PM (#44323422)
This isn't true.

(It should be, in my opinion--I don't believe in third parties with no stake making forced decisions for you for what can and can't enter your body--but as someone for whom this is lived experience, you can't do this, especially not at a Walgreens and not without getting LFTs and hormone levels done regularly.)

Re:Estrogen: A Trip Report by wtfwhateven on Thursday June 19, 2025 @06:15PM (#44323019)
Where on earth are you getting this idea from?
Re:Estrogen: A Trip Report by comrade1234 on Thursday June 19, 2025 @06:38PM (#44323175)
From the first few paragraphs of the article?

> and subsequently found myself cycling home from the pharmacy with a paper bag filled with repurposed menopause medication

and then no mention after of monitoring of health effects?

Re:Estrogen: A Trip Report by roughly on Thursday June 19, 2025 @06:51PM (#44323263)
So, the beginning of that sentence is:

> I had jumped through the relevant bureaucratic hoops

Re:Estrogen: A Trip Report by comrade1234 on Thursday June 19, 2025 @07:17PM (#44323388)
Bureaucracy != medicine
Re:Estrogen: A Trip Report by protocolture on Thursday June 19, 2025 @08:43PM (#44323830)
Medicine does however = bureaucracy.
Re:Estrogen: A Trip Report by wtfwhateven on Thursday June 19, 2025 @09:58PM (#44324091)
Informed consent is absolutely medicine and absolutely includes advice from a doctor
Re:Estrogen: A Trip Report by cthalupa on Thursday June 19, 2025 @06:32PM (#44323141)
Wait until you hear about how easy it is to get testosterone.
Re:Estrogen: A Trip Report by yuriks on Thursday June 19, 2025 @06:41PM (#44323194)
Ironically, testosterone in theory is harder to get. Since it is widely used for sports doping, it's considered an anabolic steroid, and is a scheduled substance in the US, and so has a bit more oversight to prescribe and dispense. (But I imagine there's probably also a larger black market for it for the same reasons.)
Re:Estrogen: A Trip Report by cthalupa on Thursday June 19, 2025 @06:49PM (#44323249)
There are a billion TRT clinics that will prescribe you testosterone with basically zero oversight and at dosages that are supraphysiological.

And yes, the black market is huge - anyone with google and the ability to purchase crypto can get it easily delivered, either domestically, or from china.

Re:Estrogen: A Trip Report by PartiallyTyped on Thursday June 19, 2025 @07:34PM (#44323490)
Not only TRT but also Tren and other anabolic steroids that work in tandem with Testosterone to boost lean mass and reduce fat.
Re:Estrogen: A Trip Report by s5300 on Thursday June 19, 2025 @09:00PM (#44323888)
>> You're telling me you can just go to a Walgreens in the USA and get a bag of estrogen and start injecting it without the advice and monitoring of a doctor? Even though hormone replacement therapy can lead to all kinds of problems? Is this normal?

Go chug a quarter of a McBurgerStan sized bottle of Tylenol available at near every cornerstore in our country and you’ll literally fucking die a harrowing death. I do not even mildly see your point. Quite frankly those against open access to all medicine need to die. The harm a lack of accessibility causes to society at large is incalculable, because the disabled go unseen rotting away in their homes – if they’re so lucky to even have that.