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Re:Guess I'm a Rationalist Now by js8 on Thursday June 19, 2025 @10:29AM (#44319025)
I would not be so sure. There are many fields where reductionism was applied in practice and it yielded useful results, thanks to computers.

Examples that come to mind: statistical modelling (reduction to nonparametric models), protein folding (reduction to quantum chemistry), climate/weather prediction (reduction to fluid physics), human language translation (reduction to neural networks).

Reductionism is not that useful as a theory building tool, but reductionist approaches have a lot of practical value.

Re:Guess I'm a Rationalist Now by gilleain on Thursday June 19, 2025 @10:37AM (#44319099)
> protein folding (reduction to quantum chemistry),

I am not sure in what sense folding simulations are reducable to quantum chemistry. There are interesting 'hybrid' approaches where some (limited) quantum calculations are done for a small part of the structure - usually the active site I suppose - and the rest is done using more standard molecular mechanics/molecular dynamics approaches.

Perhaps things have progressed a lot since I worked in protein bioinformatics. As far as I know, even extremely short simulations at the quantum level were not possible for systems with more than a few atoms.

Re:Guess I'm a Rationalist Now by TheAncientGeek on Friday June 20, 2025 @10:37AM (#44328128)
That's a practical limitation. There's no barrier in principle to a complete reduction.
Re:Guess I'm a Rationalist Now by jltsiren on Thursday June 19, 2025 @01:12PM (#44320598)
I meant that the word "reductionist" is usually an accusation of ignorance. It's not something people doing reductionist work actually use.
Re:Guess I'm a Rationalist Now by nyeah on Thursday June 19, 2025 @01:21PM (#44320672)
But that common use of the word is ignorant nonsense. So, yes, someone is wrong on the internet. So what?
Re:Guess I'm a Rationalist Now by jltsiren on Thursday June 19, 2025 @02:17PM (#44321129)
The context here was a claim that reducibility is usually a goal of intellectual pursuits. Which is empirically false, as there are many academic fields with a negative view of reductionism.