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Re:Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more... by defrost on Thursday June 12, 2025 @08:01AM (#44256705)
A multiple engine aircraft maintaining flight on a single engine is vastly different to the same craft being able to complete a take off when an engine fails mid process.

Aircraft can land (in right circumstances) by gliding in sans power .. the same cannot be said for take offs.

Re:Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more... by bartread on Thursday June 12, 2025 @08:09AM (#44256800)
If during your takeoff roll you lose one engine on a twin engine jet below speed V1[0], you reject the take-off. V1 is calculated for the aircraft such that above that speed you are able to safely take off and execute a go-around in order to land again on just that single engine.

Aborting above V1 is heavily discouraged because usually there's a strong risk of running off the end of the runway. Of course, if you lose both engines above V1, you're really in trouble and left without much choice.

But we don't know what happened with this flight so nothing I've said here should be taken as indicative of whatever went wrong in this case. It's purely information.

[0] Which depends on many factors including the type of aircraft, loading, weather conditions, state of the runway surface - for example, wet, or iced - etc., and needs to be calculated afresh for every take off.

Re:Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more... by wkat4242 on Thursday June 12, 2025 @09:52PM (#44265047)
Yeah in some cases rejecting after V1 is a better choice. If you're going to impact something anyway you'll be doing it with a slower speed and no vertical component in that case.

An airliner in the US did it and the pilot was praised for making that hard decision. Everyone walked I think. I forget which flight.

Re:Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more... by AaronM on Thursday June 12, 2025 @08:21AM (#44256902)
Modern commercial aircraft is designed to operate on a single engine through all modes of flight.

One a plane reaches v1 during takeoff, it can lose an engine and still takeoff.

It an engine was lost before v1, the takeoff would be aborted.

Here is an Airbus doing just that.

https://youtu.be/5QMJ3_NiWbs?si=5nZ4yU7T7hsGSUu2

Re:Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more... by defrost on Thursday June 12, 2025 @08:30AM (#44256982)
I've spent a few million line kilometres in a variety of airframes and understand that "designed to operate" through an event is not the same as "actually survives" that event.

There are many factors at play and things are complicated by unexpected failures.

Thank you for the video that demonstrates a pilot aware in advance of planned "engine failure" can cope with such an event in scheduled test conditions.

Re:Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more... by Symbiote on Thursday June 12, 2025 @08:55AM (#44257232)
How does sitting in a plane more than average give you more insight than the pilots, engineers and safety regulators?
Re:Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more... by defrost on Thursday June 12, 2025 @09:09AM (#44257373)
Pilots, aircraft engineers, and safety regulators also sit in aircraft.

The phrase "line kilometres" might indicate a smidgeon of aviation industry adjacency to some.

EDIT: Above and below comments appear to be low grade random sniping in bad faith.

There's a failure to address content and specifics and a straw assertion about "more insight than the pilots, engineers and safety regulators", a claim that was never made.

At best I have the same insights as anyone that worked with 20 airframes for a few decades and staged them about the globe in that time.

EDIT2: Symbiote has deleted their problematic reply below that the first edit was made in response to. The michaelt reply came after the reply by Symbiote and is moot, all my statements are here, undeleted and unredacted.

Re:Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more... by Symbiote on Thursday June 12, 2025 @12:03PM (#44259278)
I can reinstate the reply if you like, but michaelt made the same point moments after I did, and I preferred his "jargon" rather than my "fancy vocabulary".
Re:Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more... by defrost on Thursday June 12, 2025 @08:21PM (#44264584)
I'd prefer if you addressed the content of my two comments above your https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44257232 and explain which part caused you to imply I believe myself to have "more insight than the pilots, engineers and safety regulators".
Re:Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more... by michaelt on Thursday June 12, 2025 @09:31AM (#44257596)
If you claim to be an aircraft engineer, professional pilot, or safety regulator - say so.

Everyone in the formula 1 subreddit uses jargon, none of them are F1 drivers.

Re:Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more... by foldr on Thursday June 12, 2025 @03:55PM (#44262459)
We know that twin-engined airliners can successfully take off on one engine. It happens from time to time. E.g. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna179267
Re:Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more... by defrost on Thursday June 12, 2025 @08:17PM (#44264573)
At no point did I claim that multiple engine aircraft cannot complete a take off on a single engine.

The statement I made:

> Aircraft can land (in right circumstances) by gliding in sans power .. the same cannot be said for take offs.

is about having _no_ thrust power during take off.

The other statement I made acknowledged that test pilots in planned and scheduled clear weather conditions often test aircraft with mock engine failures, then pointed out that this is very different to an unexpected failure during non test flights.

Yes, sometimes these things work out alright (as per your example), other times not so much.

Re:Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more... by foldr on Friday June 13, 2025 @03:56AM (#44266617)
You did challenge the claim that they could complete take off on a single engine: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44256705
Re:Air India flight to London crashes in Ahmedabad with more... by defrost on Friday June 13, 2025 @04:58AM (#44266912)
Not at all.

Landing sans power is landing with no thrust (no functioning engine).

Completing a take off with no thrust isn't possible unless the craft is a glider, a hot balloon, or a ballistic launch .. taking off with a single engine is not "taking off sans power".