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Re:OpenAI o3-pro by nickysielicki on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @04:41PM (#44241237)
I just can’t believe nobody at the company has enough courage to tell their leadership that their naming scheme is completely stupid and insane. Four is greater than three, and so four should be better than three. The point of a name is to describe something so that you don’t confuse your users, not to be cute.
Re:OpenAI o3-pro by browningstreet on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @04:49PM (#44241302)
At Techcrunch AI last week, the OpenAI guy started his presentation by acknowledging that OpenAI knows their naming is a problem and they're working on it, but it won't be fixed immediately.
Re:OpenAI o3-pro by simonw on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @04:54PM (#44241337)
Sam Altman has said the same thing on Twitter a few times. https://x.com/sama/status/1911906570835022319

> how about we fix our model naming by this summer and everyone gets a few more months to make fun of us (which we very much deserve) until then?

Re:OpenAI o3-pro by nickysielicki on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @06:17PM (#44242101)
I’d prefer for them to just fix it asap instead and then keep the existing endpoints around for a year as aliases.
Re:OpenAI o3-pro by lobsterthief on Wednesday June 11, 2025 @10:52PM (#44253889)
They will definitely keep the endpoint aliases around for years. No real cost in doing so.
Re:OpenAI o3-pro by asah on Thursday June 12, 2025 @04:48AM (#44255422)
How about they ask ChatGPT for help !
Re:OpenAI o3-pro by moomin on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @04:53PM (#44241334)
I know they have a deep relationship with Microsoft, but perhaps they shouldn’t have used Microsoft’s product naming department.
Re:OpenAI o3-pro by orra on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @06:28PM (#44242192)
Zune .NET O3... shudders
Re:OpenAI o3-pro by Maken on Thursday June 12, 2025 @09:15AM (#44257438)
XBOX Series X
Re:OpenAI o3-pro by moomin on Friday June 13, 2025 @07:18AM (#44267517)
What's the X short for?

It's short for XBOX.

There's three Xs.

They're all short for XBOX.

Re:OpenAI o3-pro by transcriptase on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @05:14PM (#44241509)
What’s worse is that the app doesn’t even have descriptions. As if I’m supposed to memorize the use case for each based on:

GPT-4o

o3

o4-mini

o4-mini-high

GPT-4.5

GPT-4.1

GPT-4.1-mini

Re:OpenAI o3-pro by koakuma-chan on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @05:50PM (#44241865)
Just use o4-mini for everything
Re:OpenAI o3-pro by ralfd on Thursday June 12, 2025 @03:44AM (#44255073)
Why not o3?
Re:OpenAI o3-pro by thimabi on Thursday June 12, 2025 @07:05AM (#44256223)
In my experience, o4-mini has been fast and accurate enough for most use cases. If needed, I use o4-mini-high. I just bother to use o3 when there’s a gnarly issue to solve and I can wait its long response times.
Re:OpenAI o3-pro by koakuma-chan on Thursday June 12, 2025 @05:08PM (#44263222)
Because it's slow
Re:OpenAI o3-pro by occamschainsaw on Thursday June 12, 2025 @07:07AM (#44256239)
Even o3 can't figure out the naming scheme. When asked to generate names that would be easier to use by non-technical people, it assumed o3 and o4 are the smallest models:

``` Below is one straightforward, user-friendly approach you could adopt. It keeps two dimensions only—generation and tier—and reserves an optional “optimisation” suffix for special-purpose variants (e.g. vision, coding, long-context).

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1. Core conventions

Element Purpose Example values Generation Major architectural release. Keep a whole number; use “.1”, “.2”… for mid-cycle improvements. 4, 4.1, 4.5 Tier Rough capability / cost band, easy to interpret. Lite, Standard, Pro, Ultra Suffix (optional) Special optimisation or domain specialisation. -LongCtx, -Vision, -Code

Why this works • No ambiguous letters or numerics – “o3” can be read as “03” or “oz”; avoid that entirely. • Self-explanatory language – non-technical users recognise “Lite” versus “Pro” instantly. • Scalable – new minor rev? bump the generation (4.2). Need a cheaper size? add a Nano tier without disturbing the rest.

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2. Applying it to your current list

Current name Proposed new name Rationale GPT-4o GPT-4 Standard Baseline flagship of the 4-series. o3 GPT-4 Lite Same generation, lowest tier. o4-mini GPT-4 Lite+ (or GPT-4 Lite LongCtx if that’s the point) Indicates “Lite” family but a bit more capable; “+” or a suffix clarifies how. o4-mini-high GPT-4 Standard LongCtx (or GPT-4 Lite Pro) Pick one dimension: either it’s still “Lite” but higher context, or it has moved into “Standard”. GPT-4.5 GPT-4.5 Standard Mid-cycle architectural upgrade, default tier. GPT-4.1 GPT-4.1 Standard Ditto. GPT-4.1-mini GPT-4.1 Lite Same generation, smaller/cheaper option.

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3. Quick style guide for future models 1. Stick to two words (or two words + optional suffix) GPT-5 Pro, GPT-5 Lite-Vision – still readable at a glance. 2. Reserve extra punctuation for special cases only Hyphens or the “+” symbol should signal meaning, not be decorative. 3. Publish a public matrix A small table in docs or the dashboard that maps Generation × Tier → context length, cost, latency eliminates guesswork.

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One-line summary

GPT- [-Specialisation] keeps names short, descriptive and future-proof—so even non-technical users can tell instantly which model suits their needs. ```

Re:OpenAI o3-pro by MallocVoidstar on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @04:56PM (#44241351)
The reason their naming scheme is so bad is because their initial attempts at GPT-5 failed in training. It was supposed to be done ~1 year ago. Because they'd promised that GPT-5 would be vastly more intelligent than GPT-4, they couldn't just name any random model "GPT-5", so they suddenly had to start naming things differently. So now there's GPT-4.5, GPT-4.1, the o-series, ...
Re:OpenAI o3-pro by kaoD on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @07:37PM (#44242696)
Surely there's a less stupid way than naming two very different models o4 and 4o.
Re:OpenAI o3-pro by aetherspawn on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @06:22PM (#44242144)
Came here to say this, the naming scheme is ridiculous and is getting more impossible to follow each day.

For example the other day they released a supposedly better model with a lower number..

Re:OpenAI o3-pro by aetherspawn on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @06:28PM (#44242191)
I’d honestly prefer they just have 3 personas of varying cost/intelligence: Sam, Elmo and Einstein or something, and then tack on the date, elmo-2025-1 and silently delete the old ones.
Re:OpenAI o3-pro by dmos62 on Thursday June 12, 2025 @02:35AM (#44254800)
If you obfuscate the naming, you obfuscate the value proposition, and people become easier to mislead into choosing an overly expensive model. Same as with Intel CPUs, or many many other hardware products.