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Re:Kennedy guts CDC's vaccine panel of independent experts by UncleMeat on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @07:29AM (#44235464)
From a purely logical perspective, sure. But the rhetorical effect of this statement is clear. Especially, when it contains a lie about the medical data.

"I support safe vaccines, it just so happens that I don't believe that any vaccine is safe and I am not willing to trust the medical system to evaluate vaccines for safety and will continue to insist that all vaccines are unsafe" has the net effect of not supporting vaccination at all.

Re:Kennedy guts CDC's vaccine panel of independent experts by mike_hearn on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @08:28AM (#44235999)
It would only have that net effect if "I don't believe any vaccine is safe" is a universalist principle, and not a statement about the state of today's medical infrastructure. But it's clear from what he says that he believes vaccines could be safe in principle and he wouldn't have an issue with that, they just aren't today for various reasons.

In practice, this is always what so-called anti-vaxxers believe. None of them actually oppose the concept of vaccines out of some kind of ideological principle. It's always specific concerns about actual, specific vaccines that exist in the real world.

Re:Kennedy guts CDC's vaccine panel of independent experts by stetrain on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @09:40AM (#44236698)
> In practice, this is always what so-called anti-vaxxers believe. None of them actually oppose the concept of vaccines out of some kind of ideological principle. It's always specific concerns about actual, specific vaccines that exist in the real world.

That's being extremely generous, many people with anti-vax beliefs have not arrived there through careful, rational consideration of anything specific.

Re:Kennedy guts CDC's vaccine panel of independent experts by jesterson on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @11:39PM (#44243977)
> many people with anti-vax beliefs have not arrived there through careful, rational consideration of anything specific.

To be fair, same can be said of pro vax people. Blind belief into what science have become is perhaps more dangerous than blind disbelief.

Re:Kennedy guts CDC's vaccine panel of independent experts by ChainOfFools on Wednesday June 11, 2025 @03:54AM (#44245227)
The risk analysis is no better or worse than it is for other loosely/weakly understood technology such as flying.

It amounts to noticing that few if any of the people you know or are acquainted with through two or three removals from personal contact, have suffered or died as a result of using said technology, and basing your own confidence solely on this privileged form of hearsay.

It sounds like something that should not work, but actually does a pretty good job as a high-pass filter for safety.

Re:Kennedy guts CDC's vaccine panel of independent experts by UncleMeat on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @09:46AM (#44236771)
But if those specific concerns about specific vaccines end up being "every single vaccine has concerns and there is no mechanism by which we can assuage these concerns" then the material effect is the exact same as if there is a general ideological opposition to all vaccination.

"Vaccines could be safe if we can demonstrate that the moon is made of cheese" is the same as "vaccines are all unsafe."

Re:Kennedy guts CDC's vaccine panel of independent experts by mike_hearn on Wednesday June 11, 2025 @02:56PM (#44250648)
He hasn't said there is no mechanism. If he believed that he wouldn't be doing the things he's currently doing.
Re:Kennedy guts CDC's vaccine panel of independent experts by bettercaust on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @12:30PM (#44238718)
The problem is that anti-vaxx concerns are based on unfounded beliefs (especially in conspiracy), misunderstandings, or out-right misinformation some of which RFK Jr. himself has helped sow over the past twenty years. This "I'm not anti-vaxx, I'm pro vaxx-safety" is merely a guise.
Re:Kennedy guts CDC's vaccine panel of independent experts by jesterson on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @11:52PM (#44244039)
Wondering how you know on what all anti vax beliefs are based?

And additionally, would you think it is a good idea to generalise here?

Re:Kennedy guts CDC's vaccine panel of independent experts by bettercaust on Wednesday June 11, 2025 @08:14AM (#44246805)
I don't know on what all (every single one) anti-vaxx beliefs are based, which is why I generalized based on my experiences with the beliefs I've encountered. I can't readily form an opinion on a belief I haven't encountered, can I? All of the common anti-vaxx talking points fit the criteria I listed above, and I know this from my experiences reviewing and researching them. So yes, it is a good idea to generalize for the sake of conveying my experiences here, though I'm not going to prejudge any new anti-vaxx views I haven't previously encountered.
Re:Kennedy guts CDC's vaccine panel of independent experts by jesterson on Thursday June 12, 2025 @09:03PM (#44264775)
> I don't know on what all (every single one) anti-vaxx beliefs are based

If you would dare to explore, you would find it's based on scientific approach, where trials and statistics matter.

Re:Kennedy guts CDC's vaccine panel of independent experts by bettercaust on Friday June 13, 2025 @08:48AM (#44268029)
From what I have explored, those beliefs are based on misinformation or misunderstandings drawn from scientific research. In contrast, the vaccine orthodoxy is drawn from a strong body of evidence "where trials and statistics matter". If you are going to assert otherwise, then please provide specific examples.