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Re:Marines mobilized in response to LA protests by motorest on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @12:41AM (#44232595)
> It’s interesting ICE raided the outside of a Home Depot. Like, of all the immigrants, the immigrants that stand outside of Home Depot do the hardest physical labor. There’s no heart to what’s going on.

From an outsider's view, everything looks so performative and fabricated to be consumed by a tv target audience. I mean, if there is so much illegal immigration in the US, is it the most effective use of resources to target a TV cliche that would gather a residual number of people?

Re:Marines mobilized in response to LA protests by jimbohn on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @03:43AM (#44233835)
To me, it's every day more apparent that democracies are transitioning into mediocracies. Everything is performative, real results do not matter. It's not a coincidence that this administration has a bunch of TV personalities in it, including the president. Influencers are the new ruling class because the opinion of every m**n permanently glued to their phone is valid (i.e. a vote)
Re:Marines mobilized in response to LA protests by motorest on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @12:00PM (#44238411)
> To me, it's every day more apparent that democracies are transitioning into mediocracies. Everything is performative, real results do not matter.

I think the whole point of these stupid stunts is to mobilize the base and distract critics. Your random redneck racist might feel strongly about the Hollywood caricature of Mexicans wearing sombreros at a Home Depot parking lot, but the truth of the matter is that Trump is mobilizing the US armed forces against a governor's will while threatening him with imprisonment.

Re:Marines mobilized in response to LA protests by msgodel on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @04:37PM (#44241208)
Late stage democracy
Re:Marines mobilized in response to LA protests by hparadiz on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @02:06AM (#44233149)
They hate poor people. The wealthy undocumented people are sitting at home in their legal son or daughter's house watching the kids without a care in the world. The ones getting caught up in this are the ones that can't lay low for a while.
Re:Marines mobilized in response to LA protests by intended on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @03:12AM (#44233636)
Nope.

They is doing lots and lots of heavy lifting here. At the same time things are very confusing, because it seems like your fellow American is out for blood in a manner that shows no humanity.

Your fellow American on the right is plugged into a Matrix that traffics in its own narratives and can now freely manufacture or amplify its own fringe facts and narratives.

They are actually fighting very hard for the soul of america - as they see it. Virtuous efforts to stop the villainy and stupidity of the venomous yet weak liberals, leftists and democrats.

There’s a system in place to manufacture narratives, the closest analogy would be wrestling - except the President doesn’t treat it as fiction, he acts as if it’s real.

And since you can make and sell narratives incredibly quickly, while facts and analysis are days of effort - well, you have a structural change to the market place of ideas.

It happens everywhere in democracies now. See Brexit - entirely predictable. Yet completely unable to “sell” the known and clear problems to a majority of the citizenry.

Same with tariffs.

There’s a floor to people’s capability in navigating our current information environments - and partisan groups of experts are happy to use it to their advantage.

The problem began empirically with conservative positions, but the efficacy of the technique has now created its own political force.

Re:Marines mobilized in response to LA protests by PleasureBot on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @09:57AM (#44236881)
The wrestling analogy is exactly how I feel watching Trump since 2016. I feel like I am watching WWE wrestling, and it is obviously fake. The actors are not actually fighting. Except half the country is completely convinced that it is real. Its hard to find common ground or even explain why I think it is fake, because it feels like it would be self-evident to anyone over the age of 12.
Re:Marines mobilized in response to LA protests by baggachipz on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @01:34PM (#44239304)
I'd say it's more like trash reality tv. The media loves it because people watch. They can highlight/create narratives and selectively edit footage to craft the storyline. In pro wrestling, on the other hand, the heel is in on it and plays their part in service to the story. That's not the case here.
Re:Marines mobilized in response to LA protests by motorest on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @02:23AM (#44233262)
> They hate poor people.

The image the Trump administration conveys goes way beyond targeted hate. They appear to be replaying the Nazi playbook of persecuting minorities as a strategy to wedge in totalitarian control over a nation and society. Illegal immigrants just so happen to be the path of least resistance in the US.

Re:Marines mobilized in response to LA protests by monster_truck on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @01:00AM (#44232709)
I've often felt the same way as an insider. It's beyond a parody of itself.
Re:Marines mobilized in response to LA protests by k1t on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @01:51AM (#44233025)
Presumably it's just this meeting, filtering down the ranks:

So in late May, Stephen Miller, a top White House aide and the architect of the president’s immigration agenda, addressed a meeting at the headquarters of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, known as ICE. The message was clear: The president, who promised to deport millions of immigrants living in the country illegally, wasn’t pleased. The agency had better step it up.

Gang members and violent criminals, what Trump called the “worst of the worst,” weren’t the sole target of deportations. Federal agents needed to “just go out there and arrest illegal aliens,” Miller told top ICE officials, who had come from across the U.S., according to people familiar with the meeting.

Agents didn’t need to develop target lists of immigrants suspected of being in the U.S. illegally, a longstanding practice, Miller said. Instead, he directed them to target Home Depot, where day laborers typically gather for hire, or 7-Eleven convenience stores. Miller bet that he and a handful of agents could go out on the streets of Washington, D.C., and arrest 30 people right away.

https://www.wsj.com/us-news/protests-los-angeles-immigrants-...

Re:Marines mobilized in response to LA protests by ty6853 on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @02:01AM (#44233105)
Miller is an excellent, quick witted entertainment and speech writer in his own way. What's astonishing is using what is essentially an entertainer for high level strategy.
Re:Marines mobilized in response to LA protests by motorest on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @02:44AM (#44233429)
> What's astonishing is using what is essentially an entertainer for high level strategy.

I think this makes it even scarier. This means the goal is clearly not establishing sound policy, but to output propaganda that is designed to be easily consumed by TV audiences. It is beyond reality because it is not designed to make sense, it is designed to make sense to TV consumers by feeding on the context they get from their TV tropes. The Mexicans hanging around in Home Depots is a TV cliche that's recognized by people living wel beyond any Home Depot.

Re:Marines mobilized in response to LA protests by fakedang on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @02:30AM (#44233317)
Tbf this entire administration is a circus full of entertainers from the top down. It's like these guys are taking notes from a Mexican soap opera, ironically.
Re:Marines mobilized in response to LA protests by pjc50 on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @04:40AM (#44234169)
People voted for the entertainment. They want to see some brown people getting violence meted out to them. It's the deep sickness of racism all the way up, especially Miller.
Re:Marines mobilized in response to LA protests by DidYaWipe on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @02:01AM (#44233098)
That's just one of many problems with this whole lie.

The best is Trump crowing about historically low unemployment numbers, and then peddling hysteria about illegals "taking American jobs." None of his degenerate followers care that this argument is stupid, and calls them stupid.

Now it's been papered over with other excuses, like the mythical "fentanyl" that's pouring in from Canada.

Re:Marines mobilized in response to LA protests by ivape on Tuesday June 10, 2025 @09:45AM (#44236748)
Trump is not a demagogue. He appears like he is, but that is a misconception. He actually hates immigrants.