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Re:Self-Host and Tech Independence: The Joy of Building Your... by anotherpaul on Sunday June 08, 2025 @02:26AM (#44214982)
Glad I am not alone in this. Old laptops are much better than Raspberry pies and often free and power efficient.
Re:Self-Host and Tech Independence: The Joy of Building Your... by imrejonk on Sunday June 08, 2025 @04:03AM (#44215467)
And: they have a crash cart (keyboard, mouse and display) and battery backup built-in. An old laptop is perfect for starting a homelab. The only major downside I can think of, and as another commenter already mentioned, is the limited storage (RAID) options.
Re:Self-Host and Tech Independence: The Joy of Building Your... by HPsquared on Sunday June 08, 2025 @05:51AM (#44215885)
A lot of older 17" laptops had dual HDD slots.
Re:Self-Host and Tech Independence: The Joy of Building Your... by kassner on Sunday June 08, 2025 @06:02AM (#44215931)
Or DVD drives in which you could add a disk caddy.
Re:Self-Host and Tech Independence: The Joy of Building Your... by HPsquared on Sunday June 08, 2025 @06:24AM (#44216007)
Ah yes, optical drives were very common for a while.
Re:Self-Host and Tech Independence: The Joy of Building Your... by Onavo on Sunday June 08, 2025 @02:32AM (#44215012)
> free and power efficient

Free yes. Power efficient no. Unless you switch your laptops every two years, it's unlikely to be more efficient.

Re:Self-Host and Tech Independence: The Joy of Building Your... by kassner on Sunday June 08, 2025 @03:29AM (#44215299)
My laptop from 2011 idles at 8W, with two SATA SSDs. I have an Intel 10th-gen mini PC that idles at 5W with one SSD. 3W is not groundbreaking, but for a computer you paid $0, it would take many years to offset the $180 paid on a mini PC.
Re:Self-Host and Tech Independence: The Joy of Building Your... by motorest on Sunday June 08, 2025 @03:48AM (#44215392)
> My laptop from 2011 idles at 8W, with two SATA SSDs.

some benchmarks show the Raspberry Pi 4 idling below 3W and consuming a tad over 6W under sustained high load.

Power consumption is not an argument that's in favor of old laptops.

Re:Self-Host and Tech Independence: The Joy of Building Your... by kassner on Sunday June 08, 2025 @04:09AM (#44215489)
> tad over 6W

That is the key. The RPi works for idling, but anything else gets throttled pretty bad. I used to self host on the RPi, but it was just not enough[1]. Laptops/mini-PCs will have a much better burstable-to-idle power ratio (6/3W vs 35/8W).

1: https://www.kassner.com.br/en/2022/03/16/update-to-my-zfs-ba...

Re:Self-Host and Tech Independence: The Joy of Building Your... by motorest on Sunday June 08, 2025 @05:14AM (#44215749)
> That is the key. The RPi works for idling, but anything else gets throttled pretty bad.

I don't have a dog in this race, but I recall that RPi's throttling issues when subjected to high loads were actually thermal throttling. Meaning, you picked up a naked board and started blasting benchmarks until it overheated.

You cannot make sweeping statements about RPi's throttling while leaving out the root cause.

Re:Self-Host and Tech Independence: The Joy of Building Your... by kassner on Sunday June 08, 2025 @06:12AM (#44215958)
amd64 processors will have lots of hardware acceleration built in. I couldn’t get past 20MB/s over SSH on the Pi4, vs 80MB/s on my i3. So while they can show similar geekbench results, the experience of using the Pi is a bit more frustrating than on paper.
Re:Self-Host and Tech Independence: The Joy of Building Your... by dd_xplore on Monday June 09, 2025 @03:45AM (#44222265)
RPi is amazing for IOT tasks cuz it’s pretty portable but not for running general purpose server tasks, you’d get better performance per watt with used gear
Re:Self-Host and Tech Independence: The Joy of Building Your... by HPsquared on Sunday June 08, 2025 @05:53AM (#44215892)
Say power costs 25¢/kWh. That's $2 per year per watt of standby power. Adjust to your local prices.

So that'd take 30 years to pay back. Or, with discounted cash flow applied... Probably never.