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Re:Self-hosting your own media considered harmful according ... by thrance on Friday June 06, 2025 @05:24AM (#44199171)
No, it's everyone's. Herd immunity can only be achieved if a sufficiently large part of the population is vaccinated. Also, and I know basic empathy is a foreign concept nowadays, but what if I wished for my fellow to not die of a preventable disease because a grifter sold them on an insane idea?
Re:Self-hosting your own media considered harmful according ... by zanfr on Friday June 06, 2025 @06:29AM (#44199465)
there is no long term herd immunity with coronaviruses; which is why they are often use in disaster prevention scenarios...

what you call "herd immunity" is merely letting people die and then go "we have herd immunity" as part of your survivor bias

only solution that works most of the time, regardless of pathogen (including covid): air filtration (respirators and/or whole room)

Re:Self-hosting your own media considered harmful according ... by xorcist on Friday June 06, 2025 @10:39AM (#44201400)
There absolutely is. You just think the word immunity means something else.

After vaccination or a passed infection the immune response is there. When a sufficient immune resopnse from a large enough portion if the population is enough to lower the critical cases below some threshold, we call that type of immunity herd immunity.

It's not binary, but a useful concept nonetheless, and one that some people devote their professional lives to. It can be observed every flu season.

Re:Self-hosting your own media considered harmful according ... by brigandish on Friday June 06, 2025 @06:13AM (#44199378)
Herd immunity is not a direct goal of vaccination, protection of the individual being vaccinated is. If someone needs protection, then they should get vaccinated!
Re:Self-hosting your own media considered harmful according ... by ekianjo on Friday June 06, 2025 @06:28AM (#44199459)
Then why did we ask small kids to be vaccinated for COVID when they had no serious risk of anything? Rhetorical question, of course.
Re:Self-hosting your own media considered harmful according ... by Imustaskforhelp on Friday June 06, 2025 @08:13AM (#44200055)
I am not sure about America but in India, I was a child during covid, 7th grade - 8th grade and i didn't have a vaccine but my school students just one grade above us were called in school and they were asked for vaccine.

Though, to be fair, my whole family caught a "virus" during 2nd phase except my father but we didn't go to hospital and just bed rest for 2-3 days. My family really were skeptical of vaccine but personally I don't mind vaccines and would prefer it.

Re:Self-hosting your own media considered harmful according ... by protonbob on Friday June 06, 2025 @08:10AM (#44200033)
Even more, why did we REQUIRE them to be vaccinated for COVID.
Re:Self-hosting your own media considered harmful according ... by aleph_minus_one on Friday June 06, 2025 @06:38AM (#44199518)
> Then why did we ask small kids to be vaccinated for COVID when they had no serious risk of anything?

Think of the children ... :-)

Re:Self-hosting your own media considered harmful according ... by brigandish on Friday June 06, 2025 @11:18PM (#44207146)
On the contrary, for the overwhelming majority of children you're absolutely right, they didn't have serious risk from COVID-19, which makes your question a good one, not a rhetorical one.

Regardless, herd immunity was not a serious possibility at any point (given the high Rº and lack of a vaccine that could prevent transmission), which, considering this was known very early on makes your question, again, a good one not a rhetorical one, despite your intent.

Finally, regardless of herd immunity, at risk individuals would still require vaccination, which makes the herd immunity as a goal, again, irrelevant, which is where I started. It's a nice by-product.

Re:Self-hosting your own media considered harmful according ... by saint_yossarian on Friday June 06, 2025 @06:03AM (#44199330)
> Herd immunity can only be achieved if a sufficiently large part of the population is vaccinated.

...or getting infected, of course.

Re:Self-hosting your own media considered harmful according ... by shakna on Friday June 06, 2025 @06:14AM (#44199382)
Unfortunately, thus far, Covid19 has been through too many rapid changes for natural immunity to be effective. [0] The earlier forms allowed for it, but the evolution of the virus has outstripped most natural defences.

[0] https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6...

Re:Self-hosting your own media considered harmful according ... by ekianjo on Friday June 06, 2025 @06:29AM (#44199464)
But somehow the vaccines catch up on the strains before they come out?
Re:Self-hosting your own media considered harmful according ... by shakna on Friday June 06, 2025 @06:56AM (#44199602)
They attack different things in the virus. Often multiple things at once. Which really should not be surprising.
Re:Self-hosting your own media considered harmful according ... by Izkata on Friday June 06, 2025 @12:34PM (#44202557)
You got it backwards: the vaccines specifically targeted only the spike protein, while natural infection created different antibodies against all parts of the virus.
Re:Self-hosting your own media considered harmful according ... by shakna on Friday June 06, 2025 @08:05PM (#44206268)
Novavax COVID-19 vaccine never targeted specifically the spike protein, and instead focused on boosting the creation of various different antibodies. It is also the least effective.

The current breed of mRNA vaccines targets the spike protein, and the TRIM21 gene. Some of them also attack the S protein directly.

All of them work to boost various antibodies. The "targets" are in addition. By targeting the spike protein, the attack hits the RNA of the virus, not just the protein. The entire cellular structure of the virus breaks down. The same with TRIM21 targets.

The bodies natural defences never targeted the spike protein, and instead focuses on the N-layer, not "all parts of the virus". These natural defences rarely manage to cause the viral cell to decay, they tend to work by slowing reproduction instead.

Re:Self-hosting your own media considered harmful according ... by Izkata on Friday June 06, 2025 @09:07PM (#44206558)
Novavax's vaccine was also spike-protein-only, the difference between theirs and the mRNA ones was they created it artificially in moths then extracted it for the vaccine instead of generating inside the human body.
Re:Self-hosting your own media considered harmful according ... by shakna on Saturday June 07, 2025 @02:25AM (#44207826)
No, it was a vector vaccine.
Re:Self-hosting your own media considered harmful according ... by Izkata on Sunday June 08, 2025 @04:57PM (#44219453)
Novavax was called "protein subunit", not "vector" - you're probably thinking of J&J and AstraZeneca which were adenovirus-vector - but also still just encoded the spike protein.
Re:Self-hosting your own media considered harmful according ... by zanfr on Friday June 06, 2025 @06:27AM (#44199447)
sadly getting infected just means the virus will nuke your immune system (not to mention your endothelium)
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Re:Self-hosting your own media considered harmful according ... by teamonkey on Friday June 06, 2025 @06:54AM (#44199596)
Of course vaccines don’t prevent you from catching the virus, that is not how they work. They train your immune system so it’s better at fighting the virus when it enters your body.

This reduces the chances of your immune system being overwhelmed by the virus, reduces your recovery time, reduces your symptoms, and therefore reduces the chances of you spreading it to other people.

Re:Self-hosting your own media considered harmful according ... by ekianjo on Friday June 06, 2025 @06:27AM (#44199452)
Even Pfizer recognized they never produced any data to support that in their trials. So the government was lying all along.
Re:Self-hosting your own media considered harmful according ... by shakna on Friday June 06, 2025 @05:48AM (#44199260)
... Most vaccines do not completely prevent you from contracting a virus.

They reduce the liklihood, and thus reduce the footprint.

Heck, the concept of herd immunity is about protecting individuals who cannot be vaccinated at all. By reducing a virus' footprint.

Re:Self-hosting your own media considered harmful according ... by zanfr on Friday June 06, 2025 @06:29AM (#44199460)
there is no long term herd immunity with coronaviruses; which is why they are often use in disaster prevention scenarios...

what you call "herd immunity" is merely letting people die...

Re:Self-hosting your own media considered harmful according ... by shakna on Friday June 06, 2025 @07:15AM (#44199701)
Herd immunity, for some definitions of a debated term, is absolutely achievable - and lasting. [0]

> Technically, then, a population can reach herd immunity even with low levels of the pathogen still circulating, which means it hasn't necessarily been eradicated for good. The point, ultimately, is that herd immunity may not be the right shorthand to refer to the end of the pandemic. It’s been bandied about incorrectly, certainly imprecisely, Fine says. “I think people often haven’t a clue what they’re saying.”

[0] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8166024/