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Re:After court order, OpenAI is now preserving all ChatGPT u... by golol on Thursday June 05, 2025 @10:23AM (#44192012)
So if Amazon sues Google, claiming that it is being disadvantaged in search rankings, a court should be able to force Google to log all search activity, even when users delete it?
Re:After court order, OpenAI is now preserving all ChatGPT u... by cogman10 on Thursday June 05, 2025 @11:06AM (#44192412)
Yes. That's how the US court system works.

Google can (and would) file to keep that data private and only the relevant parts would be publicly available.

A core aspect to civil lawsuits is everyone gets to see everyone else's data. It's that way to ensure everything is on the up and up.

Re:After court order, OpenAI is now preserving all ChatGPT u... by lxgr on Thursday June 05, 2025 @07:43PM (#44196650)
A great model – in a world without the Internet and LLMs (or honestly just full text search).
Re:After court order, OpenAI is now preserving all ChatGPT u... by SR2Z on Friday June 06, 2025 @03:17PM (#44204062)
Maybe you misunderstood. The data is required to be retained, but there is no requirement to make it accessible to the opposition. OpenAI already has this data and presumably mines it themselves.

Courts generally require far more data to be retained than shared, even if this ask is much more lopsided.

Re:After court order, OpenAI is now preserving all ChatGPT u... by dragonwriter on Thursday June 05, 2025 @12:04PM (#44192966)
If Amazon sues Google, a legal obligation to preserve all evidence reasonably related to the subject of the suit attaches immediately when Google becomes aware of the suit, and, yes, if there is a dispute about the extent of that obligation and/or Google's actual or planned compliance with it, the court can issue an order relating to it.
Re:After court order, OpenAI is now preserving all ChatGPT u... by saddist0 on Thursday June 05, 2025 @10:36AM (#44192120)
It can be just anonymised search history in this case.
Re:After court order, OpenAI is now preserving all ChatGPT u... by mattnewton on Thursday June 05, 2025 @11:00AM (#44192333)
That sounds impossible to do well enough without being accused of tampering with evidence.

Just erasing the userid isn’t enough to actually anonymize the data, and if you scrubbed location data and entities out of the logs you might have violated the court order.

Though it might be in our best interests as a society we should probably be honest about the risks of this tradeoff; anonymization isn’t some magic wand.

Re:After court order, OpenAI is now preserving all ChatGPT u... by Macha on Thursday June 05, 2025 @02:10PM (#44194155)
We found that one was a bad idea in the earliest days of the web when AOL thought "what could the harm be?" about turning over anonymised search queries to researchers.
Re:After court order, OpenAI is now preserving all ChatGPT u... by dogleash on Thursday June 05, 2025 @02:33PM (#44194415)
How did you go from a court order to persevere evidence and jump to dumping that data raw into the public record?

Courts have been dealing with discovery including secrets that litigants never want to go public for longer than AOL has existed.

Re:After court order, OpenAI is now preserving all ChatGPT u... by dragonwriter on Thursday June 05, 2025 @02:15PM (#44194224)
> It can be just anonymised search history in this case.

Depending on the exact issues in the case, a court might allow that (more likely, it would allow only turning over anonymized data in discovery, if the issues were such that that there was no clear need for more) but generally the obligation to preserve evidence does not include the right to edit evidence or replace it with reduced-information substitutes.

Re:After court order, OpenAI is now preserving all ChatGPT u... by monetus on Thursday June 05, 2025 @05:02PM (#44195743)
At Google's scale, what would be the hosting costs of this I wonder. Very expensive after a certain point, I would guess.
Re:After court order, OpenAI is now preserving all ChatGPT u... by nobody9999 on Thursday June 05, 2025 @05:41PM (#44196061)
>At Google's scale, what would be the hosting costs of this I wonder. Very expensive after a certain point, I would guess.

Which would be chump change[0] compared to the costs of an actual trial with multiple lawyers/law firms, expert witnesses and the infrastructure to support the legal team before, during and after trial.

[0] https://grammarist.com/idiom/chump-change/