Re:Vision Language Models Are Biased
by DeathRay2K on Tuesday June 03, 2025 @07:09PM
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I don’t think there’s a person alive who wouldn’t carefully and accurately count the number of legs on a dog if you ask them how many legs this dog has.
The context is that you wouldn’t ask a person that unless there was a chance the answer is not 4.
You deeply overestimate people.
The models are like a kindergartner. No, worse than that, a whole classroom of kindergartners.
The teacher holds up a picture and says, "and how many legs does the dog have?" and they all shout "FOUR!!" because they are so excited they know the answer. Not a single one will think to look carefully at the picture.
Re:Vision Language Models Are Biased
by jxjnskkzxxhx on Tuesday June 03, 2025 @07:41PM
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It's hilarious how off you are.
You have never seen the video of the gorilla in the background?
Re:Vision Language Models Are Biased
by petesergeant on Wednesday June 04, 2025 @02:39AM
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That's a specific example that when you draw a human's attention to something (eg: count the number of ball passes in this video), they hyper-fixate on that, to the exclusion of other things, so it seems like it makes the opposite point that I think you're trying to?
Re:Vision Language Models Are Biased
by petesergeant on Tuesday June 03, 2025 @10:30PM
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Exactly this. Humans are primed for novelty and being quizzed about things.
Re:Vision Language Models Are Biased
by freeone3000 on Tuesday June 03, 2025 @07:23PM
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Ok? But we invented computers to be correct. It’s suddenly ok if they can look at an image and be wrong about it just because humans are too?
Re:Vision Language Models Are Biased
by jxjnskkzxxhx on Tuesday June 03, 2025 @07:40PM
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My point is that these llms are doing something that our brain also is doing. If you don't find that interesting, I can't help you.
Re:Vision Language Models Are Biased
by freeone3000 on Tuesday June 03, 2025 @08:56PM
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Well, they’re getting the same result. I don’t particularly see why that’s useful.
Re:Vision Language Models Are Biased
by HeatrayEnjoyer on Tuesday June 03, 2025 @09:26PM
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All automation has ever been is an object doing something that a human can do, without needing the human.
Re:Vision Language Models Are Biased
by freeone3000 on Tuesday June 03, 2025 @09:53PM
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The result is still wrong, though! It needs to be right to be useful!
The analogy should be of an artist that can draw dogs but when you ask them to draw a dog with three legs they completely fail and have no idea how to do it. That likelihood is really low. A trained artist will give you exactly what you ask for, meanwhile GenAI models can produce beautiful renders but fail miserably when asked for certain specific but simple details.
Re:Vision Language Models Are Biased
by jxjnskkzxxhx on Tuesday June 03, 2025 @08:52PM
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No, the example in the link is asking to count the number of legs in the pic.
Sure but I don't think this is an example of it. If you show people a picture and ask "how many legs does this dog have?" a lot of people will look at the picture, see that it contains a dog, and say 4 without counting. The rate at which humans behave in this way might differ from the rate at which llms do, but they both do it.