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Re:Vision Language Models Are Biased by jxjnskkzxxhx on Tuesday June 03, 2025 @05:57PM (#44175218)
> LLMs/transformers make mistakes in different ways than humans do

Sure but I don't think this is an example of it. If you show people a picture and ask "how many legs does this dog have?" a lot of people will look at the picture, see that it contains a dog, and say 4 without counting. The rate at which humans behave in this way might differ from the rate at which llms do, but they both do it.

Re:Vision Language Models Are Biased by DeathRay2K on Tuesday June 03, 2025 @07:09PM (#44175757)
I don’t think there’s a person alive who wouldn’t carefully and accurately count the number of legs on a dog if you ask them how many legs this dog has.

The context is that you wouldn’t ask a person that unless there was a chance the answer is not 4.

Re:Vision Language Models Are Biased by tantalor on Tuesday June 03, 2025 @07:18PM (#44175805)
You deeply overestimate people.

The models are like a kindergartner. No, worse than that, a whole classroom of kindergartners.

The teacher holds up a picture and says, "and how many legs does the dog have?" and they all shout "FOUR!!" because they are so excited they know the answer. Not a single one will think to look carefully at the picture.

Re:Vision Language Models Are Biased by jxjnskkzxxhx on Tuesday June 03, 2025 @07:41PM (#44175927)
It's hilarious how off you are.
Re:Vision Language Models Are Biased by ekianjo on Tuesday June 03, 2025 @08:52PM (#44176281)
You have never seen the video of the gorilla in the background?
Re:Vision Language Models Are Biased by petesergeant on Wednesday June 04, 2025 @02:39AM (#44177794)
That's a specific example that when you draw a human's attention to something (eg: count the number of ball passes in this video), they hyper-fixate on that, to the exclusion of other things, so it seems like it makes the opposite point that I think you're trying to?
Re:Vision Language Models Are Biased by petesergeant on Tuesday June 03, 2025 @10:30PM (#44176698)
Exactly this. Humans are primed for novelty and being quizzed about things.
Re:Vision Language Models Are Biased by freeone3000 on Tuesday June 03, 2025 @07:23PM (#44175835)
Ok? But we invented computers to be correct. It’s suddenly ok if they can look at an image and be wrong about it just because humans are too?
Re:Vision Language Models Are Biased by jxjnskkzxxhx on Tuesday June 03, 2025 @07:40PM (#44175919)
My point is that these llms are doing something that our brain also is doing. If you don't find that interesting, I can't help you.
Re:Vision Language Models Are Biased by freeone3000 on Tuesday June 03, 2025 @08:56PM (#44176296)
Well, they’re getting the same result. I don’t particularly see why that’s useful.
Re:Vision Language Models Are Biased by HeatrayEnjoyer on Tuesday June 03, 2025 @09:26PM (#44176411)
All automation has ever been is an object doing something that a human can do, without needing the human.
Re:Vision Language Models Are Biased by freeone3000 on Tuesday June 03, 2025 @09:53PM (#44176538)
The result is still wrong, though! It needs to be right to be useful!
Re:Vision Language Models Are Biased by proc0 on Tuesday June 03, 2025 @08:21PM (#44176145)
The analogy should be of an artist that can draw dogs but when you ask them to draw a dog with three legs they completely fail and have no idea how to do it. That likelihood is really low. A trained artist will give you exactly what you ask for, meanwhile GenAI models can produce beautiful renders but fail miserably when asked for certain specific but simple details.
Re:Vision Language Models Are Biased by jxjnskkzxxhx on Tuesday June 03, 2025 @08:52PM (#44176282)
No, the example in the link is asking to count the number of legs in the pic.
Re:Vision Language Models Are Biased by proc0 on Tuesday June 03, 2025 @09:40PM (#44176485)
Ok, sure, but I'm trying to point out the gap in expectation, i.e. it's an expert artist but it cannot fulfill certain specific but simple requests.