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Re:Why Ratings Systems Don't Work by vhf on Wednesday August 22, 2012 @08:17AM (#4416952)
This would be no different than having two histograms side by side..

Yes it would, and the article shows why and how. Scatter plots are easy to read (for comp./math. educated people). Two histograms side by side are easy to read (and find correlations) for nobody.

Re:Why Ratings Systems Don't Work by qxcv on Wednesday August 22, 2012 @08:34AM (#4417026)
The point is that scatter plots are harder to read than histograms. It's not two histograms vs. one scatter plot, it's replacing the current single histogram system with a single scatter plot.

Also, side-by-side histograms aren't the only way to display two parameters in a single histogram. What about stacked histograms? They scale up to an arbitrary number of parameters and everybody who can read a histogram can read a stacked histogram. Scatter plots seem like thermonuclear overkill for a problem which most movie sites seem to consider to be "solved".

Re:Why Ratings Systems Don't Work by ssmoot on Wednesday August 22, 2012 @09:13AM (#4417155)
I think it's a problem of brevity. You write something, you refine, you cut out the pet witty comment. You cut your message to the bone. Now you're done.

Read the text of the article describing each movie. The correlations are absolutely meaningless. He doesn't hit on them at all. In fact, with comments like "almost nobody" he's specifically looking at averages. Then coming to a conclusion effectively based on the average of Score 1 and the average of Score 2 to determine what type of movie it is.

So on this Quality/Rewatchability grading system:

Starship Troopers: 3:4 The Fifth Element: 4:4 Blade Runner: 4.5:3.8

Drop that in place of the graphs and the conclusions would sound as seemingly valid.

Re:Why Ratings Systems Don't Work by abrookewood on Wednesday August 22, 2012 @08:24AM (#4416985)
I'm with Henry ... the scatterplot is fundamentally no different to two histograms side-by-side (though it is marginally easier to read).
Re:Why Ratings Systems Don't Work by maxerickson on Wednesday August 22, 2012 @09:53AM (#4417321)
A scatter plot definitely shows more information than a pair of histograms. Who knows if that additional information will be useful.

It would be nice if the article actually compared different visualizations of the same data, rather than showing histograms of 2 separate data sets and scatter plots of a 3rd data set.

Re:Why Ratings Systems Don't Work by dbecker on Wednesday August 22, 2012 @09:48AM (#4417297)
Though a scatterplot conveys less information (e.g. the correlations between the two axes), I think it takes longer to process. It also takes more screen real estate than a pair of histograms.
Re:Why Ratings Systems Don't Work by mistercow on Wednesday August 22, 2012 @01:48PM (#4418574)
>Though a scatterplot conveys less information

A scatterplot conveys objectively more information.

Re:Why Ratings Systems Don't Work by droithomme on Wednesday August 22, 2012 @09:48PM (#4420505)
> the scatterplot is fundamentally no different

Actually it is fundamentally different as the histograms show aggregate data and scatterplots show individual data points.

Re:Why Ratings Systems Don't Work by droithomme on Wednesday August 22, 2012 @09:43PM (#4420496)
It's true it's harder to find correlations, but this particular correlation is not likely to be meaningful.

As far as reading the distribution, two separate histograms are definitely more readable and understandable in order to understand the distribution. Adding the complexity of a scatter plot because it also shows a correlation that people are not actually interested in makes things less understandable.