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Re:My AI skeptic friends are all nuts by kulahan on Monday June 02, 2025 @05:39PM (#44163375)
Translation seems like the ideal application. It seems as though an LLM would truly have no issues integrating societal concepts, obscure references, pop culture, and more, and be able to compare it across culture to find a most-perfect translation. Even if it has to spit out three versions to perfectly communicate, it’s still leaps and bounds ahead of traditional translators already.
Re:My AI skeptic friends are all nuts by crote on Monday June 02, 2025 @06:07PM (#44163659)
> it’s still leaps and bounds ahead of traditional translators already

Traditional machine translators, perhaps. Human translation is still miles ahead when you actually care about the quality of the output. But for getting a general overview of a foreign-language website, translating a menu in a restaurant, or communicating with a taxi driver? Sure, LLMs would be a great fit!

Re:My AI skeptic friends are all nuts by carlosjobim on Monday June 02, 2025 @07:43PM (#44164590)
Modern machine translators have been good enough for a few years now, to do business far more complicated than ordering food. I do business every day with people in foreign languages, using these tools. They are reliable.
Re:My AI skeptic friends are all nuts by og_kalu on Monday June 02, 2025 @06:18PM (#44163762)
>Human translation is still miles ahead when you actually care about the quality of the output.

The current SOTA LLMs are better than Traditional machine translators (there is no perhaps) and most human translators.

If a 'general overview' is all you think they're good for, then you've clearly not seriously used them.

Re:My AI skeptic friends are all nuts by BeetleB on Monday June 02, 2025 @06:20PM (#44163781)
Reference?

(Not saying I don't believe you - it would be fascinating if true).

Re:My AI skeptic friends are all nuts by kulahan on Monday June 02, 2025 @09:17PM (#44165252)
I should’ve been more clear that this is basically what I meant! The availability of the LLM is the real killer because yeah - most translation jobs are needed for like 15 minutes in a relatively low-stakes environment. Perfect for LLMs. That complex stuff will come later when verifiability is possible and fast.
Re:My AI skeptic friends are all nuts by troupo on Monday June 02, 2025 @06:29PM (#44163875)
> It seems as though an LLM would truly have no issues integrating societal concepts, obscure references, pop culture, and more, and be able to compare it across culture to find a most-perfect translation.

Somehow LLMs can't do that for structured code with well defined semantics, but sure, they will be able to extract "obscure references" from speech/text

Re:My AI skeptic friends are all nuts by kulahan on Monday June 02, 2025 @09:07PM (#44165183)
All these people who think this technology is already done evolving are so confusing. This has nothing to do with my statement even if it weren’t misleading to begin with.

There is really not that much similar between trying to code and trying to translate emotion. At the very least, language “compiles” as long as the words are in a sensible order and maintain meaning across the start and finish.

All they need to do now in order to be able to translate well is to have contextual knowledge to inform better responses on the translated end. They’ve been doing that for years, so I really don’t know what you’re getting at here.

Re:My AI skeptic friends are all nuts by troupo on Tuesday June 03, 2025 @01:47AM (#44166769)
> All they need to do now

Ah yeah, the famous "all they need to do". Such a minor thing left to do

Re:My AI skeptic friends are all nuts by kulahan on Tuesday June 03, 2025 @02:34PM (#44173144)
Yeah, it’d take a major invention. Some kind of model of language that’s particularly large.

But when would that ever happen? Guess you’re right.