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Re:The Darwin Gödel Machine: AI that improves itself by rewr... by codr7 on Saturday May 31, 2025 @01:22AM (#44142017)
It's not slipping up, it's guessing the wrong answer.

I'd be prepared to argue that most humans aren't guessing most of the time.

Re:The Darwin Gödel Machine: AI that improves itself by rewr... by endofreach on Saturday May 31, 2025 @04:14AM (#44142798)
> I'd be prepared to argue that most humans aren't guessing most of the time.

Honestly interested about your arguments here. While unprepared, i'd actually be guessing the opposite, saying that most people are guessing most of the time.

Re:The Darwin Gödel Machine: AI that improves itself by rewr... by codr7 on Sunday June 01, 2025 @10:57AM (#44151357)
Experience and observation?

There are plenty of things I know that have nothing to do with guessing.

I understand the incentives to pretend these algorithms are even approaching humans in overall capability, but reducing human experience like this is embarrassing to watch.

Go do some hallucinogenics, meditate, explore the limits a tiny bit; then we can have an informed discussion.

Re:The Darwin Gödel Machine: AI that improves itself by rewr... by endofreach on Tuesday June 03, 2025 @12:10AM (#44166178)
> I understand the incentives to pretend these algorithms are even approaching humans in overall capability, but reducing human experience like this is embarrassing to watch.

Seems like you were very much guessing what i believe. And you were not right.

I don't agree with the people who think LLMs are close to human-level-anything. But i do believe, many smarter people like you, who i agree with in the most part, do underestimate how much of what we do and believe is the result of insane, yet still just, information processing & most of what brought us so far, is instinct. The brain is good at providing stories to make us feel in control. But given enough human experience and time, one will be surprised, what artificial systems can emulate. Not to mention how much of human behaviour is emulation itself.

Re:The Darwin Gödel Machine: AI that improves itself by rewr... by codr7 on Friday June 06, 2025 @03:28PM (#44204150)
The brain is not the origin of consciousness, period.
Re:The Darwin Gödel Machine: AI that improves itself by rewr... by timschmidt on Saturday May 31, 2025 @01:50AM (#44142120)
> I'd be prepared to argue that most humans aren't guessing most of the time.

Research suggests otherwise[1]. Action seems largely based on intuition or other non-verbal processes in the brain with rationalization happening post-hoc.

I've figured for an age that this is because consciously reasoning through anything using language as a tool takes time. Whereas survival requires me to react to the attacking tiger immediately.

https://skepticink.com/tippling/2013/11/14/post-hoc-rational...

Re:The Darwin Gödel Machine: AI that improves itself by rewr... by codr7 on Sunday June 01, 2025 @10:50AM (#44151306)
Intuition and guessing couldn't be further apart.

In fact, intuition is one of those things that a computer just can't do.

Re:The Darwin Gödel Machine: AI that improves itself by rewr... by timschmidt on Sunday June 01, 2025 @07:39PM (#44154606)
If you believe that physics describe the rules by which the universe operates, then there's literally nothing in the universe a large and fast enough computer can't emulate.

Cyborg c.elegans seem to behave just like the biological version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3zLpm_FbPg

Intuition is a guess based on experience. Sounds an awful lot to me like what LLMs are doing. They've even been shown to rationalize post-hoc just as Humans do.

Humans have incorrectly claimed to be exceptional from all of creation since forever. I don't expect we'll stop any time soon, as there's no consequence to suffer.

Re:The Darwin Gödel Machine: AI that improves itself by rewr... by codr7 on Friday June 06, 2025 @03:25PM (#44204126)
It's perfectly obvious to me that physics (excluding quantum physics which is scratching the surface) can't describe consciousness. If it could, it would have by now.
Re:The Darwin Gödel Machine: AI that improves itself by rewr... by mathgeek on Saturday May 31, 2025 @07:11AM (#44143476)
> I'd be prepared to argue that most humans aren't guessing most of the time.

Almost everything we do is just an educated guess. The probability of it being correct is a function of our education (for whatever kind of education is applicable).

For example: I guess that when I get out of bed in the morning, my ankles will support my weight. They might not, but for most people, the answer is probably going to be their best guess.

It's easy to see this process in action among young children as another example. They're not born knowing that they won't fall over when they run, then they start assuming they can run safely, then they discovered skinned knees and hands.

Re:The Darwin Gödel Machine: AI that improves itself by rewr... by codr7 on Sunday June 01, 2025 @10:53AM (#44151320)
My advice, stop using AI before your entire brain turns to mush, you're already not making much sense.
Re:The Darwin Gödel Machine: AI that improves itself by rewr... by mathgeek on Monday June 02, 2025 @09:10AM (#44158473)
No need for personal attacks. Let's keep the discussion friendly.
Re:The Darwin Gödel Machine: AI that improves itself by rewr... by codr7 on Friday June 06, 2025 @03:27PM (#44204135)
It wasn't an attack, it was good advice.

The more you use that crap, the less intelligent you become.

Everyone else notices, even if it doesn't seem like it's happening to you because your machine keeps telling you you're making progress.