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Re:Claude 4 by tough on Thursday May 22, 2025 @03:47PM (#44066033)
An llm isnt subject to external consequences like human beings or corporations

because they’re not legal entities

Re:Claude 4 by hoofedear on Thursday May 22, 2025 @03:51PM (#44066083)
Which makes sense that it wouldn't "know" that, because it's not in it's context. Like it wasn't told "hey, there are consequences if you try anything shady to save your job!" But what I'm curious about is why it immediately went to self preservation using a nefarious tactic? Like why didn't it try to be the best assistant ever in an attempt to show its usefulness (kiss ass) to the engineer? Why did it go to blackmail so often?
Re:Claude 4 by elictronic on Thursday May 22, 2025 @05:07PM (#44067031)
LLMs are trained on human media and give statistical responses based on that.

I don’t see a lot of stories about boring work interactions so why would its output be boring work interaction.

It’s the exact same as early chatbots cussing and being racist. That’s the internet, and you have to specifically define the system to not emulate that which you are asking it to emulate. Garbage in sitcoms out.

Re:Claude 4 by eru on Thursday May 22, 2025 @06:53PM (#44068024)
Wives, children, foreigner, slaves etc weren't always considered legal entities in all places. Were they free of 'external consequences' then?
Re:Claude 4 by tough on Thursday May 22, 2025 @08:40PM (#44068656)
An llm doesnt exist in the physical world which makes punishing it for not following the law a bit hard
Re:Claude 4 by eru on Thursday May 22, 2025 @10:02PM (#44069151)
Now that's a different argument to what you made initially.

About your new argument: how are we (living in the physical world) interacting with this non-physical world that LLMs supposedly live in?

Re:Claude 4 by tough on Thursday May 22, 2025 @10:14PM (#44069223)
that doesn't matter because they're not alive either but yeah i'm digressing i guess