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Re:OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive by echelon on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @04:30PM (#44055995)
Growing up in a strong Southern Christian / Baptist / Pentecostal household [1], WorldCoin feels like the most "Mark of the Beast" plot I've ever seen. 1990's televangelists like John Hagee and Pat Robertson would be screaming to high heaven about Sam Altman being the antichrist if they were still around.

Transacting with your eyeball? Directly out of the Book of Revelations!

[1] I took a strong interest in biochemistry in college and I'm no longer religious.

Re:OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive by mgiampapa on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @04:34PM (#44056039)
Signing posts with a hash tied to a thing that might prove you are human instead of a LLM astroturfing might actually be a good value proposition for blockchain.
Re:OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive by jazzyjackson on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @05:50PM (#44056639)
Why would I trust the entry on the blockchain? I'd rather just trust the government body issuing my ID. Estonia has had it for years, it's amazing that here in USA people send contracts over email and just click a button to "sign" it - Adobe at least allows actual PKI signatures but there's not really a registry to verify it against so useless in most cases.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estonian_identity_card

Re:OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive by mgiampapa on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @05:56PM (#44056693)
Yeah, the US is a backwards economy and clearly isn't successful with all it's rules and that silly Bill Clinton era digital signature law isn't pulling it's weight. It's been solidly eclipsed by Estonian technical superiority.

I would trust a blockchain more than my government. My government has clearly been shown to be vulnerable to a < 51% attack. Blockchains don't change every 4 years and decide habeas corpus no longer applies to me because my skin is the wrong color either.

Re:OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive by treyd on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @05:33PM (#44056509)
You don't need a blockchain for that, just cryptographic signatures and PKI. The EU is implementing a system for national IDs that would enable this, and could be done with perfect privacy through zero-knowledge proofs.
Re:OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive by tlb on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @05:54PM (#44056675)
Yes, if every government was reliably incorruptible, they could also work together to build a global human verification network.

I predict that Worldcoin will get it done first, and will be more dependable than most countries. But it could turn out otherwise. In the end, services that need humanity verification will have multiple provider options and the market will decide.

Re:OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive by sigmaisaletter on Thursday May 22, 2025 @07:25AM (#44060955)
Worldcoin is and always will be opt-in.

Government solutions will be opt-out, and only in the most tedious way: Leaving the country, burning your passport and becoming a stateless person. Not recommended.

If there ever was a moat, government has it.

Re:OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive by mgiampapa on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @05:50PM (#44056646)
That doesn't really scale to the 3rd world as a form of identity validation. I'm sure there is more than one way to do it, I'm just saying it's a way to do it.
Re:OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive by ssabev on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @04:49PM (#44056180)
Came here to agree.

Initially I thought it's a bloody stupid idea, however at this stage I reckon we need it or a lot of boomers are going to be ones hotted into singing away all their wealth away.

Re:OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive by Henchman21 on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @05:56PM (#44056695)
Aaah, now you see the plan clearly.
Re:OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive by 52-6F-62 on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @04:43PM (#44056135)
My body does that for me…
Re:OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive by mgiampapa on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @04:45PM (#44056150)
Nope, this is the internet. I know you are a cat in a tube. The internet is full of them, like dump trucks.
Re:OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive by 52-6F-62 on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @05:01PM (#44056292)
HN is dead
Re:OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive by GeoAtreides on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @05:30PM (#44056486)
september is the cruelest month
Re:OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive by Henchman21 on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @05:57PM (#44056699)
It’s so much longer than the other months!
Re:OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive by cjohnson318 on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @06:03PM (#44056732)
Yeah same here. My dad has been talking about the End Times and the Mark of the Beast for 40 years now. Now, in addition to all that, it's Q-ANON and MAGA. Fun times. Liberal police are coming for your guns and your Bible, you heard it here first.
Re:OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive by jazzyjackson on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @05:47PM (#44056619)
Also a plot point in Arnold Schwarzenegger's The Sixth Day, where his eyeballs get scanned as a matter of course before transporting a VIP, (sign here, eyeballs here please, thank you) and later used to clone him.
Re:OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive by subsaharancoder on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @04:42PM (#44056120)
John Hagee is very much alive https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hagee
Re:OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive by echelon on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @06:20PM (#44056860)
That guy scared me as a kid.

He always said wild stuff like, (paraphrasing) "If you think or say anything bad about the holy ghost, you'll be doomed to hell forever."

Scary stuff as a kid.

ChatGPT says,

> Pastor John Hagee has addressed the gravity of blaspheming the Holy Spirit in his sermons. In his message titled “Seven Kinds of People God Cannot Save,” he emphasizes that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is an unforgivable sin. Citing Matthew 12:31–32, he warns that mocking or criticizing the works of the Holy Spirit is perilous and unforgivable. He states, “You be very careful when you open your mouth to criticize a genuine move of God. You’re walking on very dangerous ground.”

> This perspective aligns with the biblical passage in Matthew 12:31–32, where Jesus declares that while all other sins and blasphemies may be forgiven, blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, neither in this age nor in the age to come.

Eternal damnation thoughtcrimes are terrifying stuff for a kid.

Re:OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive by hn_acc1 on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @05:03PM (#44056303)
I mean, on the one hand, sure, but on the other hand - the "anointed one" himself, DJT, is pushing AI, so I'm sure it will be fine. Unlike that heathen Joe Biden who attends more church services in a month than DJT in a year. And as I eventually learned (grew up similar to yourself, but german pentecostal in canada, also exvangelical now), if they are against helping people and against welfare/basic human rights/basic income/equality, they're truly christians in the eyes of those telegelicals. I guess somehow the "you will always have the poor among you, me you will not always have" quote from Jesus means that to be "a biblical nation", we have to ensure there are always poor people..
Re:OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive by AStonesThrow on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @04:32PM (#44056018)
I mean, it was difficult for people to ignore a company that sold their first computer for a retail price of $666 and chose as their logo a rainbow fruit with a single chomp on the side.

And then rose up in competition against a company whose logo is literally a cross, and code-named an OS "Chi-Rho" [Cairo, XP] -- yes, it's a little "on the nose" by now.

It's also a hoot to just see LDS missionaries waiving their iPhones around with the Genesis Apple clearly visible. To be honest, as a Catholic I have seen no overtly demonic or Antichrist features in Apple Computer themselves, and frankly most tech companies try to adapt postures as agnostic and irreligious anyway, just due to globalism and market share. The {Free|Open|Net}BSD daemons and logo/mascots have long been subsumed into Apple's juggernaut anyway!

Re:OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive by travem on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @05:30PM (#44056489)
> It's also a hoot to just see LDS missionaries waiving their iPhones around with the Genesis Apple clearly visible.

To be fair, the LDS doctrine around the fruit from the Garden of Eden and the fall is quite different from the Catholic understanding, it’s seen as a necessary, even a good thing, in the overall plan.

Re:OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive by AStonesThrow on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @05:35PM (#44056525)
> quite different from the Catholic understanding

Oh? And what do you believe is the Catholic understanding?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_culpa

https://www.usccb.org/prayer-worship/liturgical-year/easter/...

O truly necessary sin of Adam,

destroyed completely by the Death of Christ!

O happy fault

that earned so great, so glorious a Redeemer!

To be honest, I would say that these signs placed by Apple Computer were done not out of malice, but by way of warning. To say, "Here Be Dragons!" To counsel those who may be ignorant, there are pitfalls ahead, and be careful, because you could lose your soul to these things, even though they are designed as morally neutral.

Computers are a tool, after all. The fruit depicted could just as easily be from the Tree of Life. It's all about how we use those tools.

Re:OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive by twodave on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @06:44PM (#44057008)
I would argue that it’s likely there was no Biblical reference intended, but that even if it was, it’s then more likely the apple is a reference to “knowledge” (as in, the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil) than a vague warning about using their products.
Re:OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive by jazzyjackson on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @05:52PM (#44056658)
Could also just be to show up first in the yellow pages

Also tools are not neutral, they carry the intent of their designer and make whatever they are designed to do easier than it used to be; if you want to be convinced please read Douglas Rushkoff's Program or Be Programmed: Ten Commands for a Digital Age