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Re:Linguists Find Proof of Sweeping Language Pattern Once De... by KingOfCoders on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @03:31AM (#44049177)
"for the frozen white stuff we lump under a single term."

From my perspective this is the hoax. I come from the alps and we have dozens of terms for snow. Only those people without snow might have one word, because they have no need to describe different versions of snow. I remember Sulz, Firn, Neu, Kunst, Matsch, Harsch, Papp, Pulver, ... (left 35 years ago).

Re:Linguists Find Proof of Sweeping Language Pattern Once De... by freilanzer on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @05:29AM (#44049726)
This is still Pappschnee, Neuschnee, Pulverschnee, etc.
Re:Linguists Find Proof of Sweeping Language Pattern Once De... by bjourne on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @05:39AM (#44049768)
Blötsnö, nysnö, pulversnö. I can make up new ones too: lastbilssnö (truck snow). With agglutenative languages counting words doesn't work.
Re:Linguists Find Proof of Sweeping Language Pattern Once De... by decimalenough on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @06:05AM (#44049898)
This is in fact thought to be a large reason for the original "Eskimo words for snow" claim: Inuit languages are extremely agglutinative.
Re:Linguists Find Proof of Sweeping Language Pattern Once De... by ranadomo on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @11:09AM (#44052321)
I believe this is the case and the wiki summary seems to agree.

> Geoffrey K. Pullum's explanation in Language Log: The list of snow-referring roots to stick [suffixes] on isn't that long [in the Eskimoan language group]: qani- for a snowflake, apu- for snow considered as stuff lying on the ground and covering things up, a root meaning "slush", a root meaning "blizzard", a root meaning "drift", and a few others -- very roughly the same number of roots as in English. Nonetheless, the number of distinct words you can derive from them is not 50, or 150, or 1500, or a million, but simply unbounded. Only stamina sets a limit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eskimo_words_for_snow#cite_not...

The Lexical Elaboration Explorer app does not allow one to see the actual words for snow for any language, so the tool is mostly a geographic and word-density plotter, but neither the article nor the website add much nuance to this debate. The hypothesis is fairly obvious: languages have words for common things. It's not really falsifiable and I find this type of analysis typical of modern research. Sloppy, surface-level, coding-tutorial demonstrations of mostly useless data display.

Re:Linguists Find Proof of Sweeping Language Pattern Once De... by bunderbunder on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @05:25PM (#44056455)
It kind of goes in the other direction, too. Can you say that Chinese doesn't have a word for "because" because 因为 is actually a compound of 因 "in accordance with" and 为 "the purpose of"? Does English not have a word for "ratel" because instead they use two words: "honey badger"? Does that imply they're more important to French culture than to English culture? Is Haiti a transgender paradise because Kreyól lacks gendered pronouns so clearly gender isn't an important concept in Haitian culture?

I'm not going to say that language doesn't say anything about culture in general. But I do think that most specific analyses chasing after this idea are doomed to say more about the analyst than they do about the analyzed.

Re:Linguists Find Proof of Sweeping Language Pattern Once De... by KingOfCoders on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @05:51AM (#44049834)
Yes and no.

No because, Firn and Harsch are words on their own.

Yes, because of the way the German language works. It tends to create new words by combining old words not by creating new short words (Dialects like Bavarian work differently though, they often tend to create new words).

Then after centuries people forget that and think it's one word. Like "Enttäuschung" (disappointment) which people no longer realize what the two words are and that "Enttäuschung" really means that you had been deceived ("Täuschung") and now are not longer - the deeper meaning of "Enttäuschung" in German. Same for "Werkzeug" (Tool) - the words get their own identity.

What I found most interesting was Rücksicht, Vorsicht, Nachsicht, Einsicht, Weitsicht (and more) where probably no German would think they are the same word, "Sicht" combined with another one. All of those words have their own, distinctive identity.

Re:Linguists Find Proof of Sweeping Language Pattern Once De... by piombisallow on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @11:00AM (#44052216)
Why would they not think it's from the same word? Foresight, hindsight obviously come from 'sight'.
Re:Linguists Find Proof of Sweeping Language Pattern Once De... by KingOfCoders on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @11:09AM (#44052320)
It's like you don't think of a windows when you hear Microsoft Windows, or an apple when you hear Apple.
Re:Linguists Find Proof of Sweeping Language Pattern Once De... by noworriesnate on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @12:58PM (#44053487)
Beware = be + ware, but most people don’t use be- as a prefix anymore (“I’m going to bequiz my students this morning”) and they don’t use ware to mean pay attention anymore. The word “sight” Is still in common usage though.
Re:Linguists Find Proof of Sweeping Language Pattern Once De... by bradknowles on Sunday May 25, 2025 @02:53PM (#44090018)
No, but there is still common use of the related form “wary”.