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Re:Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called ... by alickz on Tuesday May 20, 2025 @08:17PM (#44047174)
>How is the requirement to use a computer and maybe pay a cloud subscription in the long term more accessible than other kinds of art?

Because many other kinds of art require thousands of hours to learn before getting to the level of current AI

The real gate keeper to art isn't the cost of a pencil, it's the opportunity cost of learning how to use it

Some people have creative ideas they cannot realise and tools like AI help them do it. The more people that can realise their creative ideas the better it is for everyone.

Re:Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called ... by emkoemko on Tuesday May 20, 2025 @09:48PM (#44047580)
so its for lazy people? who don't want to learn a skill? there are many ways to realize your creativity, and now you have to write your "prompt" for your creative result? then why not just write a story? like authors have been doing for ever ?
Re:Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called ... by jplusequalt on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @02:13PM (#44054409)
>The more people that can realise their creative ideas the better it is for everyone

There is a fundamental misunderstanding of creating going on here. There's a reason why people always talk about the work/journey/process rather than the end goal. That's what makes someone an artist--not the end result.

Re:Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called ... by BeFlatXIII on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @04:26PM (#44055953)
I don't care at all about the philosophy of art. I have creative goals in mind and not enough time to become competent at all the prerequisite skills to master them.
Re:Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called ... by jplusequalt on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @05:08PM (#44056342)
>I have creative goals in mind and not enough time to become competent at all the prerequisite skills to master them

You are consuming, not creating.

Re:Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called ... by BeFlatXIII on Thursday May 22, 2025 @11:11AM (#44062881)
Cool story; don't care.
Re:Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called ... by dsadfjasdf on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @04:29PM (#44055979)
do you think taking a photo of something is skipping to the end goal of painting? no. it will just be used as a tool for more creativity for the people who will do the work.
Re:Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called ... by jplusequalt on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @05:10PM (#44056360)
>do you think taking a photo of something is skipping to the end goal of painting

Going outside and taking a photo requires you to be engaging with the scene around you. You are the actor doing the thing. When you prompt an AI, the AI is the actor doing the thing.

Re:Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called ... by alickz on Wednesday May 21, 2025 @08:15PM (#44057532)
Would you consider film directors to be artists?
Re:Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called ... by jplusequalt on Thursday May 22, 2025 @08:24AM (#44061365)
Yes! Directors orchestrate hundreds of people and other creatives, have a say in how scenes are shot, how actors perform their lines, which music gets used, which lines need to be changed or added, etc.

Not to mention that many directors also write the script for the film.

Re:Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called ... by I-M-S on Thursday May 22, 2025 @12:15PM (#44063505)
Wouldn't all this hold true for AI videos as well, it's just that you'll be going through hundreds of prompts and bad generations before you get to something approaching your vision?

N.B. If directing people is the distinguishing factor, then animation directors are robbed of their claim to artistry as well, as is basically any solo artist in history

Re:Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called ... by jplusequalt on Thursday May 22, 2025 @02:41PM (#44065272)
I never said directing people is the distinguishing factor. I only said a director is an artist as they are deeply involved in the creation of the art in question. There is no hidden layer of linear algebra that obfuscates the creative process and that does the majority of the work.
Re:Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called ... by dsadfjasdf on Friday May 23, 2025 @05:23PM (#44076747)
this view is really limited. like I said, people who will do the work... will. You are thinking of the majority of lazy people who aren't producing anything of real value in the design/art world already.