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Re:"We would be less confidential than Google" Proton threat... by JumpCrisscross on Saturday May 17, 2025 @04:08PM (#44016643)
> Isn't the cost of taking down a satellite lower than putting it up?

Probably not for Starlink. You’ve got mass-manufactured satellites in a constellation launched on a reüsable, profitable platform on one hand. And on the other hand you have experimental expendable ASAT weapons.

Re:"We would be less confidential than Google" Proton threat... by overfeed on Saturday May 17, 2025 @11:27PM (#44018805)
How much does it cost to launch ball bearings into an intersecting orbit? They are even cheaper to mass-manufacture.

The anti-satellite side has a budget hundreds to thousands of times cheaper, based on average ball bearings to satellite density in orbit, with a decent spread and multiple orbit intersections per day.

Re:"We would be less confidential than Google" Proton threat... by JumpCrisscross on Sunday May 18, 2025 @01:18AM (#44019160)
> How much does it cost to launch ball bearings into an intersecting orbit? They are even cheaper to mass-manufacture

Approximately as much as a finished satellite or block or gold of similar mass. The bulk of the cost is in launch and aiming.

Re:"We would be less confidential than Google" Proton threat... by ben_w on Sunday May 18, 2025 @03:28AM (#44019631)
Imagine you're standing on a simplified earth that's a perfect sphere, with no air resistance, and have a gun that has a muzzle velocity of orbital speed.

There are 40,000 SUVs randomly located on the planet.

You fire randomly in the horizontal plane.

What's the probability of you hitting an SUV, and not yourself in the back 84 minutes later?

The earth is big. The probability isn't zero, but for any given orbits period it is low. And both the ball bearings and the satelites will re-enter after a while.

Re:"We would be less confidential than Google" Proton threat... by overfeed on Sunday May 18, 2025 @03:20PM (#44023705)
> You fire randomly in the horizontal plane

Why randomly, if you're aiming for objects in an known orbit?

Re:"We would be less confidential than Google" Proton threat... by ben_w on Sunday May 18, 2025 @05:14PM (#44024363)
Because you wrote:

> with a decent spread and multiple orbit intersections per day.

If you miss one — and you probably will without active guidance, imagine aiming said gun at an SUV seven time zones away — everything's in a different place by your next close approach. Your ball bearings and the target both, thanks to chaotic pertubations, boosts, drag, etc.