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Re:The Cryptography Behind Passkeys by recursive on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @05:40PM (#43989508)
This scares me because I could get fully locked out if my house burns down or something. I like this property of a password manager. This seems to be in direct conflict with the design goals of passkeys.
Re:The Cryptography Behind Passkeys by AnotherGoodName on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @05:54PM (#43989609)
Non-passkey based account access still works. As in i can go into my Google/Apple/MS account settings right now and in the security tab there's a ton of different options you can set.

Backup codes, sms phone recovery, alternate recovery email are all there in all of the above.

It's no different to forgetting your password/losing access to your password manager is it? As in i've literally at points lost access with passkeys (i only had 1 at the time) and the way i got back in was very straightforward and no different to losing access to a password manager. I got an email and typed my old password and i got back in and re-setup my passkeys.

Re:The Cryptography Behind Passkeys by recursive on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @07:51PM (#43990402)
If I lose access to my password manager, I'd be substantially boned. But I'm less worried about that. It would require me to forget my password, or 1password to get pwned, go bad, or lose data.

The way I assess risk, that's less likely to happen than I am to lose my passkeys.

If I'm using passkeys but can recover my account with SMS, then why am I using passkeys? That sounds like the weak link of security. I'd rather use passwords, where I can understand what the password consists of rather than passkeys if I'm not getting an increase in security.

Re:The Cryptography Behind Passkeys by AnotherGoodName on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @09:19PM (#43990886)
Account recovery with the big providers that support passkeys is two factor from what i've experienced, eg. sms+email, email+old password or sms+recovery code etc. so definitely a step up from password login.
Re:The Cryptography Behind Passkeys by lxgr on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @06:23PM (#43989801)
Many password managers these days support passkeys and can synchronize them in whatever way you use to also sync your passwords (i.e. a cloud backend, but also a self-hosted Syncthing shared folder etc.)
Re:The Cryptography Behind Passkeys by recursive on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @08:55PM (#43990768)
I can easily export and import my passwords from my password managers and do whatever I want with them. I enjoy having that lever over my subscription.
Re:The Cryptography Behind Passkeys by lxgr on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @09:25PM (#43990924)
There are several subscription-free password managers available that support passkeys, e.g. Bitwarden (self-hosted), Strongbox (lifetime version available), or KeepassXC.

It's unfortunately not quite the same level of portability as passwords, as I don't think there's any standardized export/import format yet, but these options are significantly better than Apples's and Google's closed ecosystems.

Re:The Cryptography Behind Passkeys by dvngnt_ on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @06:11PM (#43989721)
I've been using keypassxc which supports passkeys. It works for github at least