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Re:Bus stops here: Shanghai lets riders design their own routes by bluGill on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @09:33AM (#43984334)
Charge a small fee and those routes would be profitable on their own. You can of course add reduced/free fares for homeless/students if you wish, but most people can afford a fare and that money can go into running more service which the typical adult needs a lot more than the savings of a small fare.
Re:Bus stops here: Shanghai lets riders design their own routes by AStonesThrow on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @01:30PM (#43987128)
Why be profitable? Charging fares on a free circulator is counterproductive. It costs to maintain and enforce fare boxes, and you’re adding friction to a system that’s designed to bring riders to the main routes. And you’re already running more service! The more successful circulators you have, the more passengers will be using the main system.
Re:Bus stops here: Shanghai lets riders design their own routes by bluGill on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @03:02PM (#43988095)
Any money you make from fares is another source of money that can be used to run more service and make the network better. The vast majority of your riding population is not poor and would gladly trade a little money for better service. (if the vast majority of your riders are poor you must be running really bad service)
Re:Bus stops here: Shanghai lets riders design their own routes by AStonesThrow on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @03:38PM (#43988377)
The free circulator network is made better by the sheer number of people riding it, not the revenue it can bring in.

Firstly, more people riding circulators equals more stimulation of the economy, via shopping and event-going. People getting out of their homes and out of their residential neighborhoods is an overall good for commerce.

Secondly, I believe that one of the issues for collecting fares is the reluctance to create a new tier. Because the circulators are not full-size, full-service bus routes, they would necessarily need to charge less fare, and setting that up and maintaining a lower fare tier is labor-intensive, and requires a lot of education of the public. If a bus runs around the neighborhood with EXACT FARE REQUIRED and people are out of quarters, well they're just going to forgo riding that bus. If a bus is fare-free, and gets them into the full-fare zone, they're going to go for it.