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Re:The world could run on older hardware if software optimiz... by Cthulhu_ on Tuesday May 13, 2025 @09:56AM (#43973037)
VS Code defers a lot of tasks to the background at least. This is a bit more visible in intellij; you seem to measure how long it takes to show its window, but how long does it take for it to warm up and finish indexing / loading everything, or before it actually becomes responsive?

Anyway, five seconds is long for a text editor; 10, 15 years ago, sublime text loaded and opened up a file in <1 second, and it still does today. Vim and co are instant.

Also keep in mind that desktop computers haven't gotten significantly faster for tasks like opening applications in the past years; they're more efficient (especially the M line CPUs) and have more hardware for specialist workloads like what they call AI nowadays, but not much innovation in application loading.

You use a lot of words like "pretty close to", "nearly", "essentially", but 10, 20 years ago they WERE instant; applications from 10, 20 years ago should be so much faster today than they were on hardware from back then.

I wish the big desktop app builders would invest in native applications. I understand why they go for web technology (it's the crossplatform GUI technology that Java and co promised and offers the most advanced styling of anything anywhere ever), but I wish they invested in it to bring it up to date.

Re:The world could run on older hardware if software optimiz... by _Algernon_ on Tuesday May 13, 2025 @10:49AM (#43973596)
>Anyway, five seconds is long for a text editor; 10, 15 years ago, sublime text loaded and opened up a file in <1 second, and it still does today. Vim and co are instant.

Do any of those do the indexing that cause the slowness? If not it's comparing apples to oranges.

Re:The world could run on older hardware if software optimiz... by maccard on Tuesday May 13, 2025 @12:50PM (#43974979)
Riders startup time isn’t including indexing. Indexing my entire project takes minutes but it does it in the background.
Re:The world could run on older hardware if software optimiz... by rtkwe on Tuesday May 13, 2025 @01:13PM (#43975270)
Sublime Text isn't an IDE though so comparing it to VS Code is comparing grapes and apples. VS Code is doing a lot more.
Re:The world could run on older hardware if software optimiz... by maccard on Tuesday May 13, 2025 @01:29PM (#43975459)
I disagree. Vs code uses plugins for all its heavy lifting. Even a minimal plugin setup is substantially slower to load than sublime is, which can also have an LSP plugin.
Re:The world could run on older hardware if software optimiz... by makapuf on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @06:09AM (#43982775)
VScode isn't an IDE either, visual studio is one. After that it all depends what plugins you loaded in both of them.
Re:The world could run on older hardware if software optimiz... by maccard on Tuesday May 13, 2025 @06:47PM (#43978628)
> You use a lot of words like "pretty close to", "nearly", "essentially", but 10, 20 years ago they WERE instant; applications from 10, 20 years ago should be so much faster today than they were on hardware from back then.

11 years ago I put in a ticket to slack asking them about their resource usage. Their desktop app was using more memory than my IDE and compilers and causing heap space issues with visual studio. 10 years ago things were exactly the same. 15 years ago, my coworkers were complaining that VS2010 was a resource hog compared to 10 years ago. My memory of loading photoshop in the early 2000’s was that it took absolutely forever and was slow as molasses on my home PC.

I don’t think it’s necessarily gotten worse, I think it’s always been pathetically bad.

Re:The world could run on older hardware if software optimiz... by genewitch on Tuesday May 13, 2025 @09:29PM (#43979772)
Photoshop for windows 3.11 loads in a couple seconds on a 100mhz pentium. Checked two days ago.
Re:The world could run on older hardware if software optimiz... by maccard on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @01:47AM (#43981215)
That was 30 years ago, not 10.
Re:The world could run on older hardware if software optimiz... by genewitch on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @02:37AM (#43981543)
"early 2000s" was at least 22 years ago, as well. Sorry if this ruins your night. 100mhz 1994 vs 1000mhz in 2000, that's the only parallel i was drawing. 10x faster yet somehow adobe...
Re:The world could run on older hardware if software optimiz... by maccard on Wednesday May 14, 2025 @03:23AM (#43981810)
Ah sorry - I’m in my mid 30s so my early pc experiences as a “power user” were win XP, by which point photoshop had already bolted on the kitchen sink and autodesk required a blood sacrifice to start up.