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Re:Plain Vanilla Web by Aurornis on Sunday May 11, 2025 @10:59PM (#43959237)
> In many situations, it is clearly 100x faster/easier/less bullshit to send the business a template of the configuration (Excel files) and then load+merge their results directly into the same SQL tables.

> Email and flat files are far more flexible than any web solution.

Some times I feel like I’m taking crazy pills when I read HN lately. Suggesting that we e-mail requests around and have a person on the other end manually do things including merge data into SQL tables is such a bizarre claim to see. Every once in a while I encounter some business that operates like this and it’s inevitably a nightmare, either as a customer or a partner. Not to mention it’s ripe for everything from fraud to the company falling apart because the person who normally reads those e-mails and does the things for 20 years suddenly leaves one day.

This feels like a mix of rose-tinted glasses reminiscing about the old-timey way of doing things combined with a layer of career burnout that makes everything modern feel bad. Dealing with a business that operates this way is not good.

Re:Plain Vanilla Web by motogpjimbo on Monday May 12, 2025 @07:03AM (#43961678)
Excel files can work surprisingly well in B2B scenarios where there's a high degree of trust. At a retailer I used to work at, we ran an impromptu Christmas gifts team in December each year, where corporate clients could put in a large order of gifts to be sent to their employees. Rather than build a website for it, we just sent them over an Excel file they could fill in with the name and address of each employee, the gift they wanted to receive and a message for the label. They'd send the file back to us and we had a process to validate the data and load it into our system. It sounds primitive, but it was much more time- and cost-efficient than faffing around with a custom application that we would only use for one month per year and which the clients probably wouldn't enjoy using anyway.
Re:Plain Vanilla Web by briandear on Monday May 12, 2025 @10:03AM (#43963026)
For real. The UX matters. Reducing the surface area for errors is also valuable. If “overbuilt” means “putting a clear UX around an important business process” then I love overbuilt.

It was like that one dude on HN that criticized Dropbox back in day saying he could have built it in a weekend using rsync and a bunch other nerd nonsense that the average person doesn’t have the time or the expertise to mess with.

Re:Plain Vanilla Web by phito on Tuesday May 13, 2025 @05:15AM (#43971046)
> Some times I feel like I’m taking crazy pills when I read HN lately

Often it just reads like contrarianism for the sake or it