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Re:Ghost students are creating an 'agonizing' problem for Ca... by codedokode on Thursday May 08, 2025 @03:20PM (#43930245)
Fingerprints are collected only from criminals or people who visit US. Why did Europeans agree to being treated like criminals or tourists I don't understand.
Re:Ghost students are creating an 'agonizing' problem for Ca... by nobody9999 on Thursday May 08, 2025 @04:17PM (#43930848)
>Fingerprints are collected only from criminals or people who visit US. Why did Europeans agree to being treated like criminals or tourists I don't understand.

Only if you assume that anyone who works for a SEC regulated company[0], applies for a California driver's license[1], current and former US Military personnel[2] healthcare workers, teachers, real estate agents, child care providers and others[3] are either "criminals" or "tourists."

If so, into which bucket would you place CA driver's license applicants? Criminals? How about US Military personnel? Tourists?

Please do elucidate.

[0] https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/17/240.17f-2

[1] https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/vehicle-industry-services/occu...

[2] https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1440f

[3] https://blog.certifixlivescan.com/state-by-state-guide-to-fi...

Re:Ghost students are creating an 'agonizing' problem for Ca... by codedokode on Friday May 09, 2025 @04:13PM (#43940484)
Yes the government wants to treat everyone as a possible criminal and collects fingerprints for this reason. There is absolutely no logical reason for collection of fingerprints for a driver's license. Collecting fingerprints doesn't make driving safer in any way.

In my country, native citizens are not required to give biometric information, however migrants and foreigners are because they are treated with suspicion and have a lower status. Maybe US aims for treating everyone equally (low) here.

Re:Ghost students are creating an 'agonizing' problem for Ca... by nobody9999 on Tuesday May 13, 2025 @01:14PM (#43975283)
Driver's licenses serve as the primary form of identification in the US.

But you wouldn't know anything about that, would you Ivan, especially since many (most?) Americans don't have a passport.

Are your papers in order, Ivan? It would be a shame if you ended up in a Siberian gulag, eh?

Re:Ghost students are creating an 'agonizing' problem for Ca... by codedokode on Tuesday May 13, 2025 @03:59PM (#43977034)
Nobody, surprisingly, our regime doesn't require us to provide fingerprints yet (although that might change; our government loves to say "we just do the same thing all Western democratic governments do, so don't complain"). The punishment for not having valid "papers" is usually a fine (the fines for not having valid documentation related to military service were significantly increased recently for obvious reasons). Unless they close the border, I think we don't need to worry.

Also I always thought that it is weird, having to take driving exams to get an ID and calling an ID a "driver's license".

Re:Ghost students are creating an 'agonizing' problem for Ca... by qilo on Friday May 09, 2025 @12:24AM (#43933774)
Fingerprints are only stored on the chip. Collection/retainment for other purposes is against the law.
Re:Ghost students are creating an 'agonizing' problem for Ca... by codedokode on Friday May 09, 2025 @04:28PM (#43940596)
That's just the first step to let people get used to giving away their biometric information and then change the laws.