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Re:The Brief Origins of May Day by 9rx on Thursday May 01, 2025 @12:59PM (#43860349)
> We make a lot of money.

Not compared to many unionized industries. Workers in professional sports and entertainment, for example, which fully embrace labor unions, make software developers look like they work for peanuts.

> Unions exist because workers were literally being killed by their employers.

Labor unions have formed when death was actually on the horizon because death was on the horizon, but labor unions today are almost exclusively a rich man's sport. The poor aren't poor enough to face certain death, but aren't rich enough to risk the consequences of not working (i.e. striking) for beneficial-but-not-life-threatning demands, so it is not a reasonable choice for them to make. Hence why you almost never find labor unions in low paying jobs.

Tech doesn't like unions simply because, as a group, tech doesn't like people. That's what a union is, after all: A group of people who have decided to associate with each other.

Re:The Brief Origins of May Day by matkoniecz on Thursday May 01, 2025 @01:35PM (#43860830)
> Workers in professional sports and entertainment, for example, which fully embrace labor unions, make software developers look like they work for peanuts.

I am pretty sure that union is not the most significant part why pay is high here.

Re:The Brief Origins of May Day by 9rx on Thursday May 01, 2025 @01:43PM (#43860939)
We're all pretty sure of that. How did you come to conclude that others might have thought differently?
Re:The Brief Origins of May Day by dang on Thursday May 01, 2025 @02:48PM (#43861816)
Please don't post flamewar comments to HN. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:The Brief Origins of May Day by 9rx on Thursday May 01, 2025 @02:50PM (#43861841)
What do you mean by flamewar? The dictionary defines it as "an online dispute or argument characterized by heated, angry, and often abusive exchanges between multiple participants.", which is in line with my understanding, but that isn't applicable here, so I am unsure how to interpret it. Further, the link states that the site is for "Anything that good hackers would find interesting.", which is what the question poses. The answer is something that would be found interesting – that is why it was asked, after all – so it seems the use is perfectly in line with expectations.
Re:The Brief Origins of May Day by dang on Thursday May 01, 2025 @03:03PM (#43861994)
I'm fine with that definition.

"We're all pretty sure of that. Where did you dream up this straw man?" is just the kind of provocation that produces that kind of discussion, though.

One thing to keep in mind is that most of us underestimate the provocation in our own posts (let's say by 10x) and overestimate the provocation in others' posts (let's say by another 10x) and that leads to quite a skew in perception [1]. I believe this is why everyone always feels like the other person started it / did worse [2]. Objects in the mirror are closer than they appear! [3]

[1] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...

[2] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

[3] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

Re:The Brief Origins of May Day by 9rx on Thursday May 01, 2025 @03:06PM (#43862032)
Interesting. Not how I would interpret it, but I understand that communication is hard. I have edited in a hopefully successful effort to more accurately convey the question.
Re:The Brief Origins of May Day by dang on Thursday May 01, 2025 @03:13PM (#43862107)
Ok, that works! And I appreciate the thoughtful reply.
Re:The Brief Origins of May Day by matkoniecz on Thursday May 01, 2025 @05:52PM (#43863797)
Sports and entertainment have super-star effect where vast majority is paid nothing or meager sums, while few stars pull massive piles of money.

I suspect that this drives wages high for highly paid individuals in sport and entertainment.

Note that stars in entertainment, in fields without unions also earn a lot.

Re:The Brief Origins of May Day by 9rx on Thursday May 01, 2025 @06:20PM (#43864013)
My question, as originally phrased, apparently was going to cause world war three or something like that according to another commenter, so at their behest I reworded it. Maybe something got lost in that effort, but I was trying to ask where you got the idea that anyone thinks that entertainment/sports stars make as much money as they do because of unions? I've never heard of such a thing and it violates everything we know about economics, so where you find fit in this 'revelation' you keep repeating is curious.