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Re:Sycophancy in GPT-4o by kurkku on Wednesday April 30, 2025 @05:30AM (#43842920)
I use the en-dash (Alt+0150) instead of the em.

The en-dash and the em-dash are interchangeable in Finnish. The shorter form has more "inoffensive" look-and-feel and maybe that's why it's used more often here.

Now that I think of it, I don't seem to remember the alt code of the em-dash...

Re:Sycophancy in GPT-4o by latexr on Wednesday April 30, 2025 @06:54AM (#43843433)
> The en-dash and the em-dash are interchangeable in Finnish.

But not in English, where the en-dash is used to denote ranges.

Re:Sycophancy in GPT-4o by d1sxeyes on Wednesday April 30, 2025 @09:40AM (#43845105)
I wonder whether ChatGPT and the like use more en dashes in Finnish, and whether this is seen as a sign that someone is using an LLM?

In casual English, both em and en dashes are typically typed as a hyphen because this is what’s available readily on the keyboard. Do you have en dashes on a Finnish keyboard?

Re:Sycophancy in GPT-4o by latexr on Wednesday April 30, 2025 @11:30AM (#43846647)
> Do you have en dashes on a Finnish keyboard?

Unlikely. But Apple’s operating systems by default change characters to their correct typographic counterparts automatically. Personally, I type them myself: my muscle memory knows exactly which keys to press for — – “” ‘’ and more.

Re:Sycophancy in GPT-4o by dragonwriter on Wednesday April 30, 2025 @06:00PM (#43851184)
The main uses of the em-dash (set closed as separators of parts of sentences, with different semantics when single or paired) can be substituted in English with an en-dash set open. This is not ambiguous with the use of en-dash set closed for ranges, because of spacing. There are a few less common uses that an en-dash doesn’t substitute for, though.