A cheat sheet for why using ChatGPT is not bad for the environment

Re:A cheat sheet for why using ChatGPT is not bad for the en... by spcebar on Tuesday April 29, 2025 @04:42PM (#43837813)

How does people using it offset the amount of energy used to train it? If I use three hundred pounds of flour learning to make pizza, the subsequent three hundred pounds of flour I use making delicious pizzas doesn't make the first 300 go away. Am I misunderstanding the numbers?

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Re:A cheat sheet for why using ChatGPT is not bad for the en... by ssalazar on Tuesday April 29, 2025 @04:49PM (#43837897)

Its not offset, its amortized. Your effective flour / pizza is (300 + 300) / num_pizzas. The total marginal flour expended will go up as you make more pizzas, but the effective cost will actually go down as the upfront cost is amortized over lifetime usage.

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Re:A cheat sheet for why using ChatGPT is not bad for the en... by serial_dev on Tuesday April 29, 2025 @04:50PM (#43837900)

You don’t misunderstand the numbers, you misunderstand the point. If you flush your pizzas down the toilet, it’s a waste. If you feed 300 people with it, it’s not, even if you end up using the same amount of ingredients.

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Re:A cheat sheet for why using ChatGPT is not bad for the en... by TobTobXX on Tuesday April 29, 2025 @04:50PM (#43837902)

Sure, it's a value calculation.

If you're able to serve delicious pizzas afterwards, it was worth wasting the first kg (you might call it an investment).

If you're able to bring value to millions of users, it was worth to invest a few GWh into training.

You might disagree on the usefulness. I think, you shouldn't have wasted a kg of flour because I won't ever eat your pizzas anyway. But many (you, your guests, ChatGPT users) might think it was worth it.

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Re:A cheat sheet for why using ChatGPT is not bad for the en... by Remnant44 on Tuesday April 29, 2025 @04:53PM (#43837938)

It doesn't make it go away. Using your analogy - if you used 300lb to learn and then only made 10 lb of pizza after that, it would be a pretty poor use of resources.

If you instead went on to produce millions of pizzas for people and 30,000lb of flour, that 300lb you used to learn looks like a pretty reasonable investment.

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Re:A cheat sheet for why using ChatGPT is not bad for the en... by warkdarrior on Tuesday April 29, 2025 @04:50PM (#43837903)

The cost of training has to be normalized by the number of users (or queries) that rely on that training.

If you use 300 lbs of flour to learn, and 300 lbs of flour to make 300 pizzas, then the total flour cost is 2 lbs of flour per pizza.

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