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Re:PhD Timeline by tguinot on Monday April 28, 2025 @05:48AM (#43819404)
In the UK they put their own citizens in jail for a Facebook post which is an order of magnitude worse than revoking the visa of a foreigner who comes to your country to tell you what politics your country should adopt.

They also deny visitors visas of academics on the basis of political views.

The UK is objectively worse.

Re:PhD Timeline by theyinwhy on Monday April 28, 2025 @05:54AM (#43819434)
Well, inciting violence is a crime in many countries. Next time, please show your sources so that everyone knows you are defending a racist: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c703e03w243o.amp
Re:PhD Timeline by tguinot on Monday April 28, 2025 @06:01AM (#43819477)
On the top of my head I can cite the cases of Lee Dunn or Billy Thompson who didn't call for violence and these are not the only ones. Please learn about the UK.
Re:PhD Timeline by danieldk on Monday April 28, 2025 @06:29AM (#43819651)
It seems that these were cases of blatant racism. But for the sake of the argument, if the cases were comparable, someone else doing it as well does not make it right. Whataboutism. We can disapprove all of all cases where people get detained unjustly.
Re:PhD Timeline by tguinot on Monday April 28, 2025 @10:31AM (#43821928)
Replace "blatant" by "implied" and yeah.

There was no mention of any race being inferior to any other in these posts.

The court guessed that this was the man's true belief. Same with the student that got expelled from the US for implying he supports Hamas.

This is not whataboutism: the original comment I replied to was precisely about Brits being afraid of the US government on free speech.

Re:PhD Timeline by jimmydddd on Monday April 28, 2025 @12:07PM (#43823017)
Are you saying the free speech of Racists should not be defended? Sorry, that's what it seems like from your comment?
Re:PhD Timeline by Boltgolt on Monday April 28, 2025 @05:53AM (#43819429)
The US can also put anyone in jail for a Facebook post, or as in this case a single student newspaper article
Re:PhD Timeline by Jolter on Monday April 28, 2025 @05:52AM (#43819418)
Well, two down, then. That leaves about, oh I don’t know, 207 countries with universities. Probably at least a hundred of those are functioning democracies where you can expect rule of law and due process.
Re:PhD Timeline by tguinot on Monday April 28, 2025 @06:33AM (#43819681)
Sorry to disappoint you but people in Europe don't have as much free speech as in the US especially in the press.

In European countries like France or Switzerland you get sentenced to prison time for describing someone as "a fat lesbian".

Free Speech is much better in the US.

Re:PhD Timeline by Jolter on Monday April 28, 2025 @07:01AM (#43819854)
As for that particular law you mention in France or Switzerland, please support the claim with at least one example from each country of someone serving prison time over calling someone a “fat lesbian”. I don’t believe it for a minute.
Re:PhD Timeline by tguinot on Monday April 28, 2025 @09:35AM (#43821393)
https://www.francetvinfo.fr/societe/justice/l-essayiste-fran...

It's a fact, I'm afraid. Disclaimer: I don't even like the guy, he makes money off conspiracy theories about Jewish people. But it's a fact that he got sentenced to prison for saying a journalist is a fat lesbian.

Re:PhD Timeline by Jolter on Monday April 28, 2025 @11:31AM (#43822590)
That’s pretty eye-catching. My French is a bit rusty, did he get 40 days imprisonment?

Normally in European countries, an insult, slander or libel would render a fine only.

I’m not sure it follows from this case that the US has better protections for speech, though. It certainly used to, but the argument being made here is that the Trump administration has reduced free speech protections lately.

Re:PhD Timeline by Jolter on Monday April 28, 2025 @06:58AM (#43819833)
I live in a Northern European country, you don’t have to lecture me about how free speech law works here.

It remains a fact that you cannot be deported from most countries (including my home country) for allegedly expressing a particular political opinion, without at least first being put through a legal process to determine that you did in fact express that opinion.

Re:PhD Timeline by ActorNightly on Monday April 28, 2025 @06:08AM (#43819513)
Nah.

This whole "freedom" thing is what led to Trump administration, which routinely thinks they are above the law, being in power. And if you think its not that bad, just wait till 2028 when Trump will coup the government like he tried in 2020 except this time he will succeed.

People need to be on a tighter leash. And as for who holds the leash, nobody = the leash is the law, and anyone who tries to circumvent it gets punished. Nobody is above it, even if you feel like the law is unfair - work to get the law changed if that is what you want.

Re:PhD Timeline by tguinot on Monday April 28, 2025 @06:14AM (#43819554)
I've been reading hilarious comments about what Trump will do since 2016.

I remember the "gays will be in death camps" from reddit.

Re:PhD Timeline by ActorNightly on Monday April 28, 2025 @06:26AM (#43819623)
People were warning that Trump is going to tank the economy - it was in a positive state in 2016 from Obama and he deficit spend like crazy while also lowering taxes, which contributed to recession under Biden in a large way, but of course Covid is to blame.

Now, without Covid, its pretty clear that he basically tanked the economy for no good reason.

People were warning that Trump is going to weaponize the government to go against people opposing him.

He is doing that now.

People were warning that Trump is going to ignore the law and the legal process.

He is certainly doing that now.

People were warning that Trump is going to implement policies based in racism.

He is certainly doing that now.

And we aren't even half a year into his term.

But sure, pick the few points that didn't happen as justification.

I really do wonder what it feels like to live with ideological blinders on sometimes. Must be a nice feeling to live in reality thats probably happier than what actual reality is.

Re:PhD Timeline by danieldk on Monday April 28, 2025 @06:36AM (#43819705)
I mean, he and his cronies have even said they would do most of these things. One thing we have learned is that they mean what they say. If they say we would like to put US citizens in a prison in El Salvador or Tesla protestors are domestic terrorists they also mean it. The reason it hasn't happened yet is that they are slowly boiling the frog of ignoring court orders, etc.
Re:PhD Timeline by tguinot on Monday April 28, 2025 @06:35AM (#43819697)
The only institutions having racial rules are left wing institutions like universities and they're generally racial rules against asians and whites.

Which is exactly what Trump is ending with DEI ban.

Trump is actually the president that is making institutional racism illegal.

Re:PhD Timeline by ActorNightly on Monday April 28, 2025 @12:24PM (#43823200)
I was referring to him targeting hispanic immigrants only in unconstitutional ICE deportations, without legal process. Plenty of rhetoric in his tweets/truth social about how the immigrants here are all criminals. Whether its racism or the belief that Democrats are importing Mexicans to increase their voter base or a mixture of both due to his dementia, then its

As for racial rules, what you are talking about is really affirmative action, which was ruled unconstitutional in 2023. Through the legal process, most importantly. There are arguments that you can make on both sides, but just so you understand the idea for affirmative action isn't to punish whites, its basically to inject diversity into campuses so people become more homogenius (which is a good thing) and you have things like kids from racially poor communities getting a chance of getting a degree getting a start at building generational wealth. Its been proven many times over that if you prop up the lower class of the population, everyone benefits. While affirmative action isn't the best way of doing this, its far from bad - plenty of studies done on this.

However, Trump is not ending institutional racism, he is basically axing funding for programs in schools that align more politically left with a shotgun approach, not giving a fuck about cutting actual programs that may be of value to society. This is vindictive punishment of a man child that lost in 2020, probably coupled with some racism (because Trump has a record of being racist against black people)

Re:PhD Timeline by tguinot on Monday April 28, 2025 @03:43PM (#43825247)
Renaming racial admission rules "affirmative action" does not get rid of the racial hierarchy built into these rules.

Whether the goal of those rules is to "inject diversity" or not does not change the racial hierarchy.

Re:PhD Timeline by ModernMech on Monday April 28, 2025 @12:59PM (#43823560)
You can't even say those predictions were wrong because we are still squarely on "gays in death camps" trajectory. People who predicted death camps in 2016 also predicted an insurrection, and they were right. People were calling that a crazy prediction up to 1/6/2021, and then it happened for all to see.